Does this stupid OS flamewar have *anything* to do with cypher? No. Could it *PLEASE* be taken somewhere else? Ryan Snyder, Consultant & Gopher Admin | "I've never seen a bigger group of University of Montana | collectively angry, humorless, -=>[Populus vult decipi!]<=- | arrogant, bitter, gloomy-gus, [email protected] re:netizens--> FROWNY-FACED people in my whole life."