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Re: real life problems with ITAR (was Spam the Sign!)
[email protected] said:
> On Thu, 23 Nov 1995, jim bell wrote:
>> I very much agree with the direction you appear to be headed in. It seems
>> to me that Netscape should have no problem devising some sort of scenario in
>> which such a program eventually gets onto the nets, but in a way that is
>> squeaky clean, at least for THEM.
>> In addition, why should they even need to write the encrytion part of their
>> software IN the US? It occurs to me that one way to do this might be to
>> send one of their programmers to a conveniently-located place, such as
>> Vancouver BC , Montreal Canada, or a few other nearby places, with a great
>> deal of fanfare, and tell him to "write some crypto." He does, and brings
>> it back into the US with him, leaving a copy of it "outside" the country for
>> international distribution.
> <attila sez> I think they have that one covered --not only is it
>violation of ITAR's intent to send a programmer out of the U.S.
Well, don't assume that because something's a "violation of ITAR's INTENT"
it is actually a violation of ITAR. It can't be assumed that ITAR is
_perfect_: That it actually prohibits every activity the government that
wrote it didn't like.
, but is
>illegal to hire a foreign national to program for your non-U.S. products.
Sure about this?!?
> the test is going to be with someone like Sun who "bought" a group of
>Russian crypto programmers and left them in Russia. Now, the problem
>with ITAR is that if you import that code, you can not then export the
>code since it is now covered by ITAR.
I didn't say that the code would ever be "re-exported": A copy would be
brought into the US for domestic use, and everyone else outside the border
would get their own copy from an outside server.
> secondly, it appears there is a move afoot to make it an ITAR
>violation to hire the foreign nationals to circumvent ITAR --basically,
>the Feds want to stop cryptography _everywhere_, including telling
>Russians they can not work for U.S. companies! Just where do they think
>they are getting off?
It is for this kind of problem that I "invented" my concept of
"Assassination Politics": If everybody pissed off at this situation was
willing to donate $10 to a fund to reward the deaths of a few government
officials responsible for ITAR, I can well imagine that this would shake
them up a bit.