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Re: Hallam-Baker demands more repudiations or he'll write!
Did you know this company is using your email address as part of
an unlawful email bomb?
I would advise you to write to them at [email protected]
and [email protected] and advise them to stop
using your email address for this type of activity.
It is illegal to use a invalid return email address. If this continues, I
will
be forced to prosecute the return email address - which they are
making to look like you.
Below is the letter that I received in my email box
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In a message dated 96-09-25 14:05:23 EDT, you write:
>Subj: Re: Hallam-Baker demands more repudiations or he'll write!
>Date: 96-09-25 14:05:23 EDT
>From: [email protected] (jim bell)
>Sender: [email protected]
>To: [email protected] (Brian Davis)
>CC: [email protected], [email protected]
>
>At 11:50 PM 9/24/96 -0400, Brian Davis wrote:
>>On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Rich Burroughs wrote:
>>
>>> <AP stuff>
>>> Anyone who mistakes the lack of "repudiations" for AP on the list for
some
>>> kind of tacit approval is not getting the whole picture, IMHO.
>>>
>>> Is this how journalists do their research nowadays -- "give me some info
>or
>>> I'll write something really bad about you that you'll regret?" Cool. I
>>> guess I thought there might still be some kind of pursuit of the truth
>>> involved.
>>>
>>> I personally don't have the time or energy to contribute to the AP
>threads.
>>> That != approval for the idea.
>>>
>>> I hope you include your above quote in your piece.
>>>
>>
>>Amen to that. Add that at least one lawyer (and former prosecutor) on
>>the list is confident that successful prosecutions will ensue is AP ever
>>gets off the ground.
>
>I don't doubt that there will be harassment. (you can't deny that charges
>would be brought even if it is tacitly agreed that no crime has been
>committed; "the harassment-value" of such a prosecution would be desired
>even if there is ultimately an acquittal.) AP will resemble, more than
>anything, gambling. While gambling is illegal in some areas, it is quite
>legal in others and there is no reason to believe that locales can't be
>found in which an AP system could operate legally.
>
>Make American laws apply everywhere? That'll be hard to justify, unless you
>want to unleash a world where an all people can be subject simultaneously to
>the laws of EVERY country, should they choose to enforce them! Would you
>like to be arrested in Red China for something you said years earlier in
>America about their leadership?
>
> And are you ignoring the fact that the intentional isolation of one
>participant from the knowledge of the actions and even the identity of the
>others makes opportunities for prosecution on "conspiracy" charges mighty
>slim. And since AP can operate across traditional jurisdictional
>boundaries, you're going to have to explain how you can prosecute Person A
>in Country B for giving a donation to an organization in Country C, to be
>paid to a person D in country E for correctly predicting the death of person
>F in country G, particularly when none of the identities of these people or
>countries can be easily known given a well-crafted cryptographic and
>message-routing system.
>
> Further, as you probably know as well as any, in order (at least,
>supposedly!) to get a conviction you need to prove "mens rea," or "guilty
>mind," and I suggest that none of the more passive participants in the AP
>system have that. (The ones who DON'T pick up a gun, knife, bomb, poison,
>etc.) Sure, they are aware that somewhere, sometime, somebody _may_ commit
>a crime in order to collect a lottery, but they don't know who, what, when,
>where, or how this will occur, if at all. (either before or after the fact!)
> In fact, since it is possible for a target to collect the reward himself
>(to be directed toward his designee, obviously) by committing suicide and
>"predicting" it, it isn't certain to the other participants that there has
>even been any sort of crime committed!
>
>Based on the mens rea requirement, I propose that there is plenty of room
>for most of the participants to reasonably claim that they are guilty of no
>crime. They have carefully shielded themselves and others from any guilty
>knowledge, and presumably they are entitled to protect themselves in this
>way. Morally, you could argue that these people are countenancing something
>nasty, in the same sense that somebody could equally well argue that if you
>buy a cheap shirt in Walmart you're partly responsible for sweatshop labor
>in El Salvador. True, I suppose, but moral guilt does not always translate
>into legal guilt.
>
>
>> And yes, I've read Jim Bell's manifesto. The fact
>>that no lawyer has dissected it from a legal standpoint has been used by
>>Mr. Bell as support for the propostion that it is legal.
>
>I suggest that there is a greater likelihood that the "powers that be" will
>just abandon all pretense of legality, and attempt to strike at the
>participants if they can find them without benefit of any sort of trial.
>This is a more plausible conclusion, because it cuts through all of the
>legal difficulties which would hinder prosecution. In effect, a low-level
>undeclared war.
>
>
>Jim Bell
>[email protected]
>
>
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>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 00:55:21 -0800
>To: Brian Davis <[email protected]>
>From: jim bell <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: Hallam-Baker demands more repudiations or he'll write!
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