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Re: John's: In anarchy -everyone responsible
In article <[email protected]> "Attila T. Hun" <[email protected]> writes:
From: "Attila T. Hun" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 97 14:41:32 +0000
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on or about 970204:2343 jim bell <[email protected]> said:
+At 09:05 PM 2/4/97 +0000, Attila T. Hun wrote:
+> In a "popular" anarchy, Jim Bell's assassination politics make
+> perfectly good sense; but, a "popular" anarchy is not an _anarchy_.
+I guess I don't understand the distinction you are trying to make,
+between a "popular anarchy" and an "anarchy." Maybe you were trying
+to distinguish between "dictatorship of the few (or one)" and
+"dictatorship of the many (perhaps a majority)" but it didn't come out
+very understandably.
+Put simply, "anarchy is not the lack of order. It is the lack of
+_orders_."
disagree. pure anarchy is not the lack of "orders" --pure anarchy
implies that everyone is imbued with that perfect sense of
responsibility.
+> anarchy is only possible in an ideal world where _everyone_
+> assumes not only responsibility for themselves, but for the common
+> good. no malice, no greed, no need for assassination politics....
+No, that's traditional thinking and that's wrong. See AP part 8.
+Freud believed (as "everyone" else believed, even myself, before AP)
+that anarchy was inherently unstable. But it ISN'T, if the tools of
+AP are used to stabilize it. And no, no altruism is necessary for AP
+to work as well; no individuals are being asked to sacrifice
+themselves for the common good. Rather, they are given the
+opportunity to work to achieve a reward offered, cumulatively, by a
+number of citizens.
aah, but that is the difference between a _pure_ anarchy and a
_popular_ anarchy. A pure _anarchy_ is sufficiently idealistic in
that _noone_ lacks the necessary resonsibility to keep society
moving, each individual in their own niche. As long as there is
perfect responsibility in a perfect anarchy, then there is no need
for AP.
AP is a negative, or _punative_, influence; I might liken it to the
Catholic Church which is a religion of fear, and an instrument of
political control.
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