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Re: Renewable Energy Stuff (was citizenship silliness) (fwd)
On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Jim Choate wrote:
(risking /dev/nullification "is that like jury nullification?")
> Forwarded message:
>
> > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:26:47 -0600 (MDT)
> > From: Jim Burnes <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Renewable Energy Stuff (was citizenship silliness)
>
> > Apparently hemp hurd gassification yields a fairly sizeable, renewable
> > amount of energy per acre. Lemme see if I have the reference....
>
> > Historically Hemp (Cannabis Sativa L.) has been a very high yielding plant
> > (Haney 1975). Assuming that hemp produces up to 4 tons/acre seed plus 10
> > tons/acre stalks, Table 1 shows how many gallons of liquid fuel import could be
> > saved by each of the following proven biomass fuel conversion routes.
> >
> > Table 1. Conversion technologies for hemp stalks and hemp oil
> >
> > CONVERSION CONVERSION GASOLINE EQUIV
> > TECHNOLOGY EFF - % GAL/ACRE
> >
> > 1 Ethanol from fermentation of hydrolyzed cellulose 20 200
> > 2 Digestion of whole stalks to methane 50 500
> > 3 Producer gas from thermal gasification of stalks 85 1000
> > 4 Methanol from syngas from gasification of stalks 65 750
> > 5 Methanol from pyrolysis of stalks 3 30
> >
> > OIL SEEDS - 4 tons/acre
> >
> > 6 Hemp Seed oil from Seeds, no conversion 100 300
> > 7 Biobioesel premium diesel fuel from hemp seed 90 270
> > oil combined chemically with methanol
>
> You're going to seriously claim that 1 gallon of hemp oil is equivalent to 3
> gallons of gasoline? I don't think so. I've seen hemp burn and it don't burn
> anywhere near that efficiently.
I think you misunderstood. They are claiming "gasoline equivalent
gallons/acre" -- not that 1 gallon of hemp oil = 3 gallons of gasoline.
And were not talking about "burning" hemp in that sense. In this
particular case were talking about hemp-based biodiesel.
>
> I also notice it doesn't mention what it costs to raise that 4 tons/acre...
>
Raising a full acre of hemp in that matter is something I don't have the
data on. However, hemp is widely known as a low-maintenance crop -- that
translates little to no fertilizer. After that we have the price of the
land/month, servicing loans on the farm equipment, labor costs, taxes,
energy, water etc. Typical business overhead. And for that 1000 galgas
eq/acre.
Certainly nothing out of the ordinary compared to the overhead in
the oil industry. Although on a cost/gallon overhead I don't know.
Obviously this would take a least one growth season.
ObCrypto: In the case of TEOTWAWKI from Y2K, we are going to need
energy to run our computers and crypto on. This might also be
important to the people wanting to run a packet radio relay net.
(even though the then non-existant FCC might not like them
using crypto on a packet link)
I copied Tom Reed and Agua Das on this since they can address
the tech matters more thoroughly than I can.
Other than that we should probably take this off list.
Jim