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RE: Bic-Assassins Convicted (fwd)
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> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 20:41:24 -0500
> From: John Young <[email protected]>
> Subject: RE: Bic-Assassins Convicted (fwd)
> Jim Choate asked:
>
> >If they had threatened just a plain old citizen with this
> >email would they also be facing this life imprisonment?
>
> Apparently the charges would have been the same if made
> against any
>
> "person within the United States, and the results of such
> use affect interstate or foreign commerce or, in the case
> of a threat, attempt, or conspiracy, would have affected
> interstate or foreign commerce." (see below)
Ok, exactly how would their threat effect inter-state commerce?
> The use of E-mail was incidental to the charges of both
> conspiracy and threatening to use weapons of mass destruction:
>
> 18:2332(a)(2) and (c)(2)(C). Conspiracy to use a weapon
> of mass destruction against person(s) w/in the U.S.
> the results of which affected interstate & foreign
> commerce. Offense dates: 3/24/98 - 6/30/98. Penalty:
> Any term of years or for life, $250,000, 5 yrs SRT. (1)
Conspiracy requires active steps, not simply talking about it. As I
understand it the conspiracy and weapons of mass destructions charges were
given a not-guilty by the jury. No proof was presented that they had ever
even bought a bic lighter to test with. Hell, even going to the bookstore
and buying a book or the library and checking one out is protected under the
Constitution. It takes more than talk to generate a conspiracy.
> 18:2332a(a)(2) and (c)(2)(C) and 2. Threatening to use a
> weapon of mass destruction. Offense date: 6/26/98
> Penalty: any term of years or Proceedings include all events.
> for life, $250,000, 5 yrs SRT as to ea ct. (2 - 8)
If we're going to go by this then the US government is already guilty re
their plan to destroy various contraband plants via genetic weapons. If you
think that won't effect inter-state & international commerce you better
think again.
And they've gone a lot farther than just talking about it in email. Congress
has spent millions on it over the last few years.
> The eight counts are for the one count of conspiracy and
> threats against seven federal agencies ("employees and
> families"):
>
> The President
> ATF
> FBI
> DEA
> IRS
> Secret Service
> Custom Service
Ok, so my question still stands what if these had been actual people instead
of government agencies? The charges are *NOT* for threatening individuals
who happen to be government agents, oh no, they're for threatening
government *agencies* a whole different ball game ('The President' is an
office not a person).
> CHAPTER 113B - TERRORISM
>
> Sec. 2332a. Use of weapons of mass destruction
>
> (a) Offense Against a National of the United States or Within the
> United States. - A person who, without lawful authority, uses,
> threatens, or attempts or conspires to use, a weapon of mass
> destruction, including any biological agent, toxin, or vector (as
> those terms are defined in section 178) -
Where is 'lawful authority' defined?
> (2) against any person within the United States, and the
> results of such use affect interstate or foreign commerce or, in
> the case of a threat, attempt, or conspiracy, would have affected
> interstate or foreign commerce;
I covered this one already.
> (c) Definitions. - For purposes of this section -
>
> (2) the term ''weapon of mass destruction'' means -
>
> (A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this
> title;
>
> (B) any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or
> serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or
> impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors;
>
> (C) any weapon involving a disease organism; or
So if I go out and sneeze on somebody I've committed an attack using a
weapon of mass destruction?
> (D) any weapon that is designed to release radiation or
> radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life.
Where is the definition of 'mass' in there? Hell, just about anything
qualifies under this definition. It doesn't even require the death of 1
single individual (it doesn't even require it to be lethal).
Oh, *all* radiation is harmful to human life.
> CHAPTER 10 - BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS
> Sec. 178. Definitions
>
> As used in this chapter -
>
> (1) the term ''biological agent'' means any micro-organism,
> virus, infectious substance, or biological product that may be
> engineered as a result of biotechnology, or any naturally
> occurring or bioengineered component of any such microorganism,
> virus, infectious substance, or biological product, capable of
> causing -
>
> (A) death, disease, or other biological malfunction in a
> human, an animal, a plant, or another living organism;
Well this certainly covers each and every effect of a pathogen on a
biological system (I particularly like the way they've covered their butts
for ET.... 'another living organism'. Not to mention that cleaning your
kitchen counter qualifies under this statute.
> (B) deterioration of food, water, equipment, supplies, or
> material of any kind; or
>
> (C) deleterious alteration of the environment;
Well at least they've set themselves up for their anti-drug pathogen
program.
> (2) the term ''toxin'' means the toxic material of plants,
Can you say circular defintion, I thought you could. This sentence say
nothing.
> animals, microorganisms, viruses, fungi, or infectious
> substances, or a recombinant molecule, whatever its origin or
> method of production, including -
>
> (A) any poisonous substance or biological product that may be
> engineered as a result of biotechnology produced by a living
> organism; or
>
> (B) any poisonous isomer or biological product, homolog, or
> derivative of such a substance;
This of course happens to cover plain old water (re 'whatever its origin or
method of preduction').
> (3) the term ''delivery system'' means -
>
> (A) any apparatus, equipment, device, or means of delivery
> specifically designed to deliver or disseminate a biological
> agent, toxin, or vector; or
>
> (B) any vector;
>
> (4) the term ''vector'' means a living organism, or molecule,
> including a recombinant molecule, or biological product that may
> be engineered as a result of biotechnology, capable of carrying a
> biological agent or toxin to a host; and
Next time I get food-poisoning at a restaraunt it's comforting to know that
the federal government will be right there to prosecute under this
particular statute...
Geesh.
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