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Mar 12 mtg notes [long, 35K]
Here are my notes on the March 12th meeting; I haven't really edited them, so
they are kind of rough, but if I waited until I had time to edit them they'd
never get posted. All I've done is run thrm through a spelling checker and
do minimal clarification where I was typing only pieces of something. They
were in Acta format, not plain text, so there are lots of tiny paragraphs
that used to be outlines, the indentations still carry some of the form
though. I apologize for the formatting, the mac editors are lame about
saving text with layout, putting in an extra LF with the CR's and doing
other lossage. And we won't even talk about getting rid of "smart
quotes" (aargh); at least two major editors force you to do find/replace
to get rid of them... I would be happy to save a postscript version of the
document and put it up for FTP on soda.
Comments, clarifications, and identifications of folks who are annotated as
"??" should be sent to [email protected], not to the whole list (where
I wouldn't see them anyway, since I am only on cypherpunks-announce).
Apologies to the folks who didn't want 35K of notes in their mailbox, the
tyranny of the vocal majority requested they be posted... :-)
_Strata
[Notes on Cypherpunks meeting at Cygnus, Mar 12 1994. Copyright M.
Strata Rose, 1994, all rights reserved. This document may be forwarded
in its entirety for personal communication but may not be quoted at
length without the author's permission. Journalists wishing to use this
document as source material must first contact the author.]
Show-n-tell: cypherpunks digital phone project
Eric Blossom shows board to connect between phone and wall,
engineering prototype on Codex chip, etc
28,800 baud capable, 120db down relay; pcmcia for keys, etc
2105 xtrlr, inline devices, $12 q 1; can use as answering machine,
etc; final target price under $1K
Tim May says some folks in Seattle years ago got a patent on
something called Phaser Phone, crypto phone, USGov used the patent
to slap a classified on the technology.
AT&T phone competitive price...
Phil Karns made request for Applied Cryptography, ruled to be in public
domain and thus exportable; the day he got that on paper he filed a
second request on "is the floppy exportable?"
Someone should file a CJ request for PGP
download, put on floppy, write letter attesting that you got it that
way,
Mbone audio link
Mark Horowitz & co at MIT
Nathan Loofborough at ohio state
market.dun-dun-noodles.??
SF cypherpunks
EFF offices in DC, Dan Brown sysadm
doing direct audio link to Horowitz at MIT, mixed into mbone from
there
control center up in BayMOO so that there's a token (a floor tile) for
message-stick, one delegate per site to talk, control room has a hush
feature to shut up non-delegate speakers; later on there will probably be
some echos-- people will type live meeting into MOO areas
Pavel runs similar setup at PARC
Head count
MIT 8-10 folks
EFF 11
MtView 45-50
Ohio State 1
San Diego 1
Agenda
Politics! almost first anniversary of clipper meeting
Eric H notes that Clipper was deliberate executive branch
sideswipe of separation of powers; Dorothy Denning mentions economic
ploy-- using discretionary fund to purchase clippered phones w/o
legislative review, creating demand & standard in one swoop
We will have to involve the legislature to stop Clipper, you
can"t just ask executive branch to restrain itself; we will have to restrain
legislature w/judicial restraint; we probably need an amendment to
enhance privacy to preclude lossage.
Four main points are:
comm tech
crypto tech
anonymity
pseudonymity
Mark Horowitz mentions needing to get a populist feel for
pseudonymity before trying to get stuff for amendment
Tim May:
brought stack of books to show;
how to avoid the privacy invaders: low profile
getting started in the underground economy
how to create a new identity
the outlaws bible by ex boozy
the us intelligence community by jeffrey richelson, in
tradition of banfrey/banfey pub by ??B in cambridge subsidiary of harper
& rowe
bruce benson, the enterprise of law, (distributed legal
systems workings) (how cryto anarchy might work)
how to launder money
how to open a swiss bank account
the secret money market
Juicy books! (sez Tim); the theme was Rants this
time, so he wrote a rant on the coming police state; may drift into a police
state not by malice but by gradual surveillance for "our own good".
Example: stuff built into cars for tolls, bridges, etc;
how about using Chawmean(sp?) credentials for anonymity based on
payments beforehand.
Linkages of other info on drivers licenses, for
example health system stuff, could lead to things like diabetics being
denied access to bars as incidental info comes up on age-check scan
Tim mentions Cpunks is kind of stuck in 1970's
secret decoder ring technology, not concentrating enough on fighting
routine surveillance by "benign" agencies; Tim is not seeing any
mainstream discussion of Chawm technology in American press.
Worst can happen very quickly if backlash against
immigrants goes into effect, or if national health plan card goes worst
case. Double whammy this month: clipper goes through as if we never
tried, then digital telephony II resubmitted for massive tapping and
lossage.
Increasingly groups will have scattered meetings,
under DTII the meeting today would have to be tappable.
Gilmore says Senators Leyhi and Edwards are
having hearings, John, EFF, & randoms (phone, computer, civil libs folks)
will be testifying. Wants to take small exception to what Tim is sayng;
EFF has taken strong stance that transactional data shouldn"t be
available without a real live warrant; DTII says that gov folks could get
phone numbers, etc w/o even going through a court. Mentions cell
phones keep your cell location even when you"re not on the phone, auto
net trackers, etc, this is transactional data, this is why they are tryiing to
get this into law now before people are thinking about this much. One
thing came out in hearings is how much law enforcement folks are
already demanding direct from phone companies (to get your bills if
they"re in investigations), they get more than 100K people's phone bills
and do web analysis on drug dealers, etc; source for 100K number is
House report on the ECPA. One of most important parts is to protect
transactional data with bureaucratic process reviewed by juidicial staff.
Tim wrapping up, has one more thing to say; EFF
and lot of other groups fighting for this, he in person has no faith in the
govt being trustworthy, do security via obscurity and just plain don"t let the
govt figure it out, have it encrypted.
Query from MarkH; agrees with Tim, preaching to
converted though; problems due to ignorance and apathy on part of
people, people not aware of full ramifications of personal privacy.
Europeans seem to be more aware.
Phil Karn comes in via San Diego <Hugh announces
he's on the link>
Fen mentions we need both to educate and to opt in
to things, that you shouldn"t be selling your info (such as ATM
supermarket purchases) w/o consent and knowledge.
Mark H. asks what we can do in specific; Eric Hughes
says we need to set agenda and work on positioning.
Constitutional Amendments
AntiClipper Legislation
Strata: do newspaper article on parallels between stuff here and
now and stuff in Eastern europe
Bill Stewart: NIST survey on privacy and tech, look for it on the net
Don Hopkins: frame this as "you need your privacy to protect
yourself from your neighbors"
?? : Maria Cantwell's HR 3627 export restrictioin lifting
??: Make people realize privacy tech exists
?? : NII privacy issues request for comments (Bill Stewart)
Neil Rest: develop pieces of agitprop, etc get press kits and
pamphlets so that when we can give them info when we GET their
attention!
??: WWW page, has anyone made one, let's do a single site for
lots of anti clipper, lots of tail ends in other stuff
??: takes care of small network, his responsibility is to give privacy,
wants to give govt solution and make ourselves the watchmen
Strata: encrypted alt group w/news service, put in time to make it
juicy and fun, give folks motivation to use the tools.
Tim May: agenda item on active sabotage of big brother/clipper,
create anticlipper sentiment in new grads, semiotic anticlipper thingy,
?? AT&T guy: let's do executive educatioin seminars for corporate
weenies on clipper, those dudes have access to the PACS
Arthur Abrahms: publicy of privacy enhancing solutions to stuff like
toll booth problem, popularizin them
nelson baghla (sp?): come up with solution to the govt's problem
that protects our privacy
Gilmore: official study of crypto coming up, Herb Lin of Nat"l
Research Council, needs good people to be on review board/panel
Strata: NPR radio show on clipper
??: will anyone go on mcneil lehrer?
Bill Stewart: stockholder resolutions for corporations good way to
do propaganda and to generate publicity & opinion
John Morton: journalism outreach, list of Cypherpunks reps who
are willing to be contacted (is part of press kit), *do* a press kit
??: are there clipper clipping services
Russ Whittker: set up speakers bureau, people willing to speak at
functions about this
Gilmore: deploy cryptography, put kerberos in your OS, do the
usenet feed, etc
Jim Warren talk:
Jim Warren: AB1624 passed, round of applause
learned how to use the net to pursue political advocacy and
action, and to amplify political power in the hands of people
woke up after reading piles of email on gov weenieness
with a solution on how to do this:
we all know to write letter to congresscritter; turns out
letters to state (much less feds) count in certain ways
individual letter, some attention
form letter, less attention
phone calls, logged only (counted)
form letters & cards almost useless w/one
exception [support/anti support for bills, treated later 3/19 _S]
communications become much less
interesting to legislators once they come from someone who isn"t a voter
in their own district; in some district offices the staff has instructions to
throw away unread stuff from people outside the district
how do we persuade them with the people
they DO pay attention to? (registered voters in their district)
"communication from a citizen who is not
identifiable as a member of a partisan group, political affiliation, or other
organization, ie not a drone from somewhere like NRA, church, etc, ie
something that seems to be from a private citizen rather than from a push
group" (highest value)
of course, let's be realistic here: PACS have
mucho power
Best case is Mr. Organization with a large
check, but next after that is private citizen apparently writing from an
individual concern.
What we really want is a whole bunch of
people from their own districts appearing to spontaneously write in and
say "hey, don't do this" or "hey, do that".
If you want to influence congress, don"t contact
all of them, contact committee members, target them; "major perversion,
err amendment" (his quote!) goes on in committee. [Request for] bill
status documents bill's path through committees, subcommittees.
Identify few members of key committees that are real decision makers
who can kill the bill before it hits the floor, where they don"t dick with it
much. If we can persuade their voters in their district to contact them
apparently spontaneously, we have clout that exceeds lobbyists.
In all jurisdictions, voter registration lists are
public record and available in machine readable form;
Contact folks in your own district and ask for
real citizens in your own district to send real letters to a citizen in the key
members" district, just tell us how many letters you are wiling to write and
we"ll give you mailing labels for them and some sample letters to modify
electronically to write to the folks!
Modify the hell out of it, this is not a topdown
authoritarian form letter it is supposed to be grass roots; please use
typewriter fonts only, give folks scripts to do mailmerge stuff on their
personalized form letters, idealized letters.
Example: draft sample letters, inflammatory,
less inflammatory, polite, post via FTP and call for effort, say I"ll provide
you with names & addrs;
typical district congressional is 500,000 -
600,000 with probably 250K reg voters; provide folks with scattering of
names so that everyone doesn"t send their own letter to neighbors,
businesses in same area (to prevent people from thinking its a scam or
form letter)
when I provide name & address sets I will
provide name & addr of cooperating people in district of test recipients
(and will tell you), so that I can find out what you"re sending and when
you"re sending it, ie tell them that there are salts in the list but not who the
salts are...
let's also provide form letters appropriate for
sending to newspapers; typical ways you can draft a letter that will almost
certainly make it into editorial pages, provide forms and instructions on
how to do that
When I did AB1621 I wrote it [the info on the
bill, and in sample letter] in such a way as any reader could find out
issues, topics, who to write to, etc but so that direct cutting and pasting
was *hard* but getting info out was easy, so people wrote in and gave
same info but no two letters really resembled each other so the effect was
very powerful
in typical urban, suburban, etc, newspaper,
letters to the editor page will exceed comics and sports!
Typically 1/2 to 2/3 of those 250K voters vote,
so that knocks down the list of those to influence to write; the ringer is
that politicians have a different kind of arithmetic they have memorized;
it's not the population, not the reg voters, not the voters who actually go
out and vote because in a contested election most of those are won by a
5 to 10% margin; so anyone a legislator believes can swing 10% of the
vote in their next election is someone to be "cozied up to and feared".
Numbers turn out to be (upcoming boardwatch article by Warren) 3500 to
7-8K affected in a typical district, if you can affect those voters you can
swing the election. Ways to figure out which ones those are, BTW.
Reg list will not only have names and
addresses, but will typically track who has voted in the last X elections, ie
whether or not you showed up. You can get that info! Every candidate
running wants to know who ACTIVE, likely registered voters are. Don
Hopkins asks if politicians are smart enough to check letters from folks
against names of active frequent voters; it is actually a criminal violation
in many districts! System in SoCal called Monarch that tracks voters and
can pull names and addresses, they can pull your info when they get a
letter to see if you"ve voted recently, what listed party affiliation is, etc.
Jim W has been told that part of that info has
been blocked off from legislator's staff via their own computers, they have
to go to the Partisan office.
Other things need to be made available---
master copies of leaflets and door stuffers. Available to residents in or
near a congressional legislator's district. Works for any legislation, not
just anticrypto and not just congresscritters. Activist near target
geographic area must print on laser printer, do good quality leaflet,
though there may be marketing justification for making it look somewhat
homemade.
Door stuffers & leaflet are standard political
tools, used by activists, you don"t have to be charming, etc, can do from
your own home 7x24, "this is Nerd Power folks! This is Active
Participation, this is access to information so provocative and persuasive
that they are persuaded to act, this is Patrick Henry writing inflammatory
text that Ben Franklin prints on the printing press in the spare room in his
home that Paul Revere rides down the electronic highway shouting and
handing out literature..."
One of the cool things about this technology is
that it is absolutely useless to covert interests, doesn"t work on issues that
can"t be open action, that the public wouldn"t support! You don"t have to
be covert, you don"t have to sneak up. You can say here's exactly what
we"re doing, if you know what's going on you will get really annoyed and
help the cause. His guess is that this will be fairly mature and ripe
technology by 1996 presidential elections and that this will be a massive
tool in the 2000"s.
Most effective political action is from
nonpartisan citizen to his/her elected official; "this is a chance to use
these ThinkerToys to ... "<hugh being annoying lost memory of quote>
Wex from MIT: thanks, he's a little jaded since
he's been using it in environmental movment, is more effective with a
central organization, like EFF, someone needs to do this (radio shows,
get volunteers, etc)
Jim agrees, says it takes folks of wide talents
ranging from wordsmith to scutwork secretarial to political
insiders/realworld familiarity to put it all together. But it doesn"t take a lot
of people to do it and it can be done by a much much larger range of
people than the ones who can do traditional style PACtion. Does not
require significant loot! Caveat here: the computer, laser printer, etc
better be owned by private individual or by registered political org,
otherwise you"re asking for trouble unless you register it as an In-Kind
Contribution, can lose your 501(c)3, rival politicians will look for this and
any other thing to cause trouble and shut you down! Major flak in Sactoh
has some senior politicians doing jail time for using such resources for
poli stuff.
Push from the ["misguided": Eric H] privacy
enthusiasts, to severely restrict machine readable and even paper copies
Milton Markson in Senate (SF) Jackie Spear in House (south SF); only
big money parties and incumbents would have access if that passes.
Indicentally it ain"t hard to get this, he has DAT tape that he always
carries with him, has all reg voters for SantaClara and SanMateo (750K-
850K, 400K respectively) on hard disk as well as property records
(assessors records). Straight off magtape was 400-500Meg per county.
Company in SoCal in SanDiego that has pressed CDROM voter reg
records for under $100, privacy advocates "going orbital" over this,
statutory restrictions that these are supposed to be being used for
campaign, etc. but a helluva lot more people are buying them than can
be accounted for that way and you know they are being abused by
market-o-droids.
comments from ?? (perry?): real problem is
that in many cases a senator will have many people who agree
wholeheartedly with their (to us, lame) cause, example of senator in
Arkansas, trying to do gun control campaign-- ha ha, good luck!
Jim replies he is doing electronic equiv of
precinct walkers and drones; arthur abrahms says "its a brilliant way to
subvert localization of political process"
"Perot-inoids" are sponsoring balliot initiabive
to stop anyone from contribing to state or local campaign who was not
able to vote in that campaign. Jim thought it was neat until someone in
Common Cause pointed out fallacy (contribs are political speech, so 1st
amend). Main fallacy is that congress votes on laws that affect all of us,
so members on key committee might not be elected by any of us in a
district yet we are going to be affected by their votes, so it's right and
correct for us to seek to affect them.
??: suggest cross correlating email addrs
w/voter reg letters to send pre-emailings to people likely to have email
addrs, etc...
BTW, legislators almost never read actual
letters, almost never have time to meet people, etc etc; their time is
sucked up by all kinds of folks....the flapper system is alive and well,
flappers read and summarize all...
Neil Rest: is list of congress committees and
subcommittees somewhere easily downloadable, also list of districts by
zipcode so we can filter our own addressbooks to find folks in good
districts; Jim thinks much committee stuff is ftpable from cpsr.org. Zip
code exists, every political operative probably has it, can be created from
precinct records, but legally shaky, maybe 70% of zip is in one district
and 30% in another, so not as great.
Finger a zipcode and find out who your legislator and member of
assembly is: finger [email protected], has a nice little finger daemon to
do the lookup....
When Jim got started on 1624 they told him it
was dead, he said "why, its a great bill?", "well we can"t find any support
for it", "well what do you need as evidence of support?" The aide said
"10 or 15 letters or faxes would be a strong showing of support", I said
"out of *31 million californians?!*" and she said *yes*. That is a good
idea of how much a letter from your own district counts. Only exception to
"own district" rule is a bill's author wants to see a whole lot of letters from
anywhere at all; they HATE to see letters opposing the bill. Mentions
1991 example of "the offending sentence" in a bill , outlawing crypto,
"they got torched to hell and gone", took only 2 weeks to get rid of the
offending sentence.
ALWAYS worthwhile to do concise 1 page
letter to bill's author supporting or opposing!
Schlackman and Fozzio in NYC, American
Campaign data in Palo Alto, acquire all this info from county, will sell it to
you in mag tape, labels, printing, walking order maps, etc. On the
cheapo, go to voter reg place (county clerk etc) for a given jurisdiction
and purchase info on diskette (often, but sometimes in 9track ebcdic).
He's planning on pursuing this technique and
process for crypto issue, against software patent monopoly, for state push
to get political disclosures available electronically for free online
[email protected]
Gilmore's FOIA's
ftp. cygnus.com: /pub/foia.clipper.key
Phone interview w/Phil Z, Gilmore, in InfoSecurity News
[note: firewalls list recently posted address for it, look in
ftp.greatcircle.com for list archives of past month 3/19 _S]
Ch 7 news came down and did interview here at Cygnus,
related to CERT advisory passwd cracking stuff, we put a press release
out re: public release of Kerberos, they called up Cygnus noticing from
the press wire; Gumby gave a demo gotten from cracker's passwd sniffer
which was installed by cracker; other story in that news segment was
about 3 guys put up billboard looking for wives and a voicemail number,
someone hacked in and put a new outgoing message saying "thanks for
calling but we"re really only interested in men".
Clipper FOIA, no response yet
Exports, commerce, etc
he asked "how is crypto being applied, etc etc" in
commerce & export
first folks to reply were Dept of Justice Office of Legal
Counsel analysis folks who were saying that licensing scheme violates
1st amendment; have been writing memos to that effect for years!
memos have been forwarded to EFF, scanning them
in
Jim Warren: suggests forwarding these to 2020, Day
1, etc, this is one arm of the govt stonewalling another arm
Gilmore got turned on to the Office of Legal counsel
because of 1980 hearings on Govt Classification of Private Ideas (crypto,
patents, private research on atomic energy were main topics); turned
onto those hearings by Brahms Gang posting on sci.crypt, found copy of
hearing in Fed depository, later found transcripts of entire hearings not
just minutes/proceedings; very first memo from office of legal counsel is
repro"d in minutes, saying "we"re trying to tell you it's unconstitutional".
two sentence synopsys: if you file to try to get a
patent on something they can order you not to tell anyone about it and
they can put your patent application on hold indefinitely and you can go
to jail for a decade for talking about it; George Devita (early crypto
inventor) got notified on a speakerphone surrounded by students and
was thus in violation immediately, publicized his case to NYTimes &
congresscritter, part of impetus for hearings, NSA backed down.
Generated List of Agenda Items
Eric notes that the balance between external education and
internal generation [of items] is pretty good....
Legislation available to us: we need to figure out what
needs to go into a bill to kill Clipper RIGHT NOW...
Arthur suggests making mandatory for intra-gov
comm, Eric says no, that will create a market, maybe a secondary
strategy is if clipper passes then try that
no Fed standards w/classified data
MIT says that NSA is breaking the law right now,
there's a regulation against it, they asked Mike Godwin and he said
<garble> don"t mention it you"d be screwing up!
??: would suing be a good tactic, asking for a writ or
somesuch to enforce the statute against the NSA doing this kind of stuff
(standards setting, classification)
Bill Stewart: if NSA is not allowed to be involved in
civilian crypto then the FIP defines the way you vet clipper as being "ask
the nsa"; other way to define legislation is that escrowed keys be
available to corresponding citizen and citizen notified of attempted and
denied access
?? again: access to keys could be time delimited,
notify citizen of end of time; Bill says in clipper you don"t know your own
key so you should be able to know it;
Neil Rest-- broadening FIPS (fed info proc stds) to FS
(fed standards)
??: need to attack private citizens not using crypto
legislation
key "escrow" is illegal (pass a law)
FIPS is illegal
Eric H's whole attitude was turned around by one
sentence from Mark Rotenberg, EFF counsel: "it's much more interesting
to change the law than to adjudicate it."
Bill Stewart: read Renos rules on access: said can
be accessed by method A, B, C but not *disallowed* kinds of access
can"t mandate clipper use between private parties
and government (chip)
Strata: can we mandate use of clipper or similar so
that industry will say it's too expensive to implement ; Eric, no, backward
strategies are too dangerous.
Jim other (not Warren): can we do stuff on state level
that will override the gov"t, can we persuade individual states not to use
clipper and thus break the back of clipper that way (ie propose legislation
that prevents CA from buying clipper phones)
Arthur: alter rules of order for cryto legislation,
require 2/3 majority
Tim May: I think any law that says certain types of
crypto should be required or disallowed plays into the hands of people
who want to control crypto; how about coattailing on English is not
national language movement, no one shall be required to speak in
particular language.
James Madison's argument against bill of rights
recapitulated by Eric H in response to Tim, Tim says we shouldn"t be
encouraging legislation, it encourages the feeling that they CAN legislate
crypto policies.
Lawrence Tribe from Harvard had suggestion for
amendment basically "right of free speech and assembly should not be
abrogated by technological progress." <bravo!>
Chip: if skipjack hits PD, we should be able to use it
Perry & Martin: how about a bill to put skipjack in PD
Perry: require procedure & public reports, comments
in fed register, rquire for all standards, procedure before adoption
?? : Xfer crypto policy into hands of dept commerce
bureau of export (non military only); that agency has an entire culture of
making regs easier & promoting export, etc; commerce always goes in
and fights for decontrol, will create counterbalance force in govt pointing
the right way!
?? blond guy: coda to having a central authority, put
auto-approval on export/distribution, ie after N weeks it goes out if they
don"t do anything... also that would be a good amendment to 3627
Eric says we need to replace "escrow", possibly w/key
custody or key retention ["detention" says crowd].
Witt Diffy talks about terminology that John LeCarre
put in espionage from his writing, if you think up terms that are better they
*will* use them.
net suggestions: loosely guarded key warehouse,
key generation service
key license vault, master key, custody, retention, key
hostage, key confiscation, forfeiture, skeleton key, key minting
Hugh-- Dept of Justic skeleton key closet?
key licensing system, key assignment,
Tim May says great exercise, but no parallel in our
system, possible parallel in surrendering your documents when you
travel.
Key dissemination service, key surrender, sequester,
key chaperone, duplicate key demonstration, keyjackers
Trojan chips-- escrowed for your protection! <strata>
bumper stickers-- my other key is not in the gov"ts
closet!
Just say NO to key escrow. Hell no, I won"t escrow.
Ridicule terms-- house key escrow good analogy
incumbents surveillance system <jim w>
key conscription
key seizure <tim may>
privacy forfeiture system <arthur>
key crib
communication permit, privacy permit, security permit
key sharing [the Barney system! eric]
permissible privacy
key disclosure system
denial of privacy
ministry of privacy (minipriv & minisec, one holds each half) Winston
Denning
Internal Privacy Service <don hopkins> also
privateers, J Edgar Hoover Data Vacuum
key generation bureau KGB
privacy tattoo <hugh>
ministry of information
privacy reposession agency (repo man!)
doublekey (like doublespeak); big brother's key ring
dept of data vehicles <strata>
Tim May says Joe Sixpack doesn"t know key escrow
but has heard of Clipper, so we should hack on clipper.
Acronyms
Martin Perry: the visible citizen
Tim May says Mike Godwin is referring to
"information snooper highway" (info sniffer highway, Tim quips)
SUCK save us from clipper keys
Beavis & Butthead episode, have them build a DES
cracking machine or talk the class nerd into it <strata> call it the
"buttcracking machine" <eric h>
Tim May talks about forging postings of semi-official
memos realistically as a form of satire; Strata: no, it's too dangerous, we
can"t afford to have people link us to not clearly labelled satirical
documents; Gilmore: yes, remember how the cypherpunks community felt
about being on the receiving end of the misinformation barrage via
Detweiler; Tim: why not misinformation, just make it too bogus, etc;
Gilmore: read great satire about Internet collapsing due to flat rate
pricing, no investment by service providers, and in fact Nader
commission just snuck a flat rate proposal in a couple days ago to
"encourage competition"; Bill Stewart: yep april 1st is coming up, April
1st RFCs are traditional.; Tim clarifies he wants to make them look
ridiculous, ludicrous, start a campaign of laughter against them; Arthur
suggests that people don"t know the issues well enough; John Morton
suggests preparing a white paper/FAQ style and gradually leading them
into the issues and making it clear how silly it is.
Martin Perry agrees, like propose a legislation that
bans draperies, the drapery escrow stuff; Martin Minow says people
should contact any Hollywood contacts as they have experience getting
stuff out. Tim May: SNL did satire commercials of little Newton Message
Pads of LCD notes, waiting for it to boot, etc. You could probably get
SNL to do a fake commercial on key registration or key escrow, etc. Stuff
was good-- after Newton pseudomercial 300 people apparently called
Apple wanting to buy one! Bill Stewart: get Rush Limbaugh to do a fake
commercial too and get the *other* half of the country.<applause>
Hugh-- this is your key; this is your key on escrow
Bill Stewart-- Clipper Key Escrow Service: we"re from
the government, we"re here to help you
Clipper the database from the people who brought
you {waco, welfare}
Strata: "Expose yourself to surveillance." Maybe we
can get that mayor who did the expose yourself to art posters!
Anything you say or hear can/will be used against
you outside a court of law.
Telephone w/Miranda rights on it.
Martin Perry: stickers had " do not discuss or try to
talk around classified info" at an old job of his, on phones.
Katy: tidybowl man w/surveillance in a phone
Phone w/"do not remove this tap under penalty of
law"
Bill Stewart: not only could "big brother inside" be
turned into a screen saver but cypherpunks could issue a whole
screensaver set and license it to Berkeley Systems; Martin Perry: spy vs
spy too; every now and again it will randomly look like a fax is being
made and say a copy of this screen is being sent to a govt agency; every
time it is invoked it shows you what was on your screen the last time it
was invoked; Tim May-- virus that says your hard disk is being
duplicated.
Void says a mod of the THX slogan: The govt is
listening.
The clipper chip, bringing you 1984 in 1994.
Hopkins: Clipper backup plan-- send any vital data
overseas encrypted w/magic cookie, send FOIA request to retrieve it!
Use a phone, go to jail (arthur); May-- Clipper
questions? call someone and ask them.
Warning-- NSA has determined that strong crypto is
dangerous to...<varies>..
Tim: aside from satire we should be thinking of
different slogans that appeal to other groups ranging from Schafly and
rightwing, etc.
Only God should know (digital confessional, strata
brings up clipper would violate this>)
Arthur: Guns & codes, the american way.
Clipper, for your most public conversations.
<gilmore?>
Clipper the last amendment <hugh>
Ever had a gov"t agency tap you from thousands of
miles away? You will! <??>
Narrow your listeners down to two. <witt diffy>
Reach out and tap someone.
Tip & Tap, the Clipper Brothers
Clipper, can we talk?
Strata: let's hack popular music too: Whitney
houston hack: "I will always hear you" and "from a distance"
Tom: all conversations are created private but some
are more private than others <much cheering>
Clipper: the privacy problem's final solution
you deserve a tap today; have it their way.
with clipper you"re never alone <hugh>
instead of we are everywhere, clipper: we will be
everywhere.
your direct line to the government
third ear stickers for digital phones <strata>
you"ll never talk alone
Clipper: when you absolutely positively have
nothing to hide
Phil Karns says he wishes the people w/the good
jokes would stand closer to the mike!
Eric Hughes: a man's phone is his castle
...that huge sucking sound is your privacy flowing
south into clipper....<?? perry?>
pay no attention to the govt behind the phone line...
Witt Diffy mentions German constitutional amendment
debate to expand police capacity for legal wiretap; protest movement is
using term <gla:sern burgher> (sp?) "a transparent citizenry"
Strata draws parallel between McCarthyism & this, govt can
say you have something to hide if you are fighting clipper.
Anti-Clipper Semiotics
Marketing & Positioning
Press Coverage
Now vs Eastern Europe
Cantwell Bill HR 3627
[email protected], student at UCB, cypherpunk
remailer works to send return mail back with encrypted block; he has
some docs on the remailer/blink anon server. A remailer that doesn"t
need to know the correspondences between anon-ids and real-ids.
Can"t run it for real yet, he has restrictions on his account, but contact him
via email if you want to help test it. Also started writing an install script for
cypherpunks remailers, if you get this install script you can just type
install remailer and you"ll get a standard remailer that can tell "normal"
mail from mail that should get remailed, etc. Available for ftp on soda.
Strick; working on system called Kudzu, based on Tcl;
hopes to port to PC and Mac, keeping modular portable components in
key. Is crypto toolkit, has DES, RSA, diffy-helleman, gnu database, Ian
Smith did C client wrapper for reading, interpreting mailers, lightweight
threads out of SunOS, also setjmp/lngjmp. Wants to have support for
threaded Dynin (DCNET) cryptography net, have random IP services in
that. Plans to have FTP stuff (for US Citizens only) out before April trip to
Budapest & Berlin; quip that he can"t go since he knows this stuff. Tim
May mentions that if he said he was going w/the intention of
implementing stuff outside the country he could be in trouble.
M. Strata Rose
Unix & Network Consultant, SysAdmin & Internet Information
Virtual City Network (tm)
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