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Re: Part IX: Allegations re Vince Foster, the NSA, and Bank Spying (fwd)
I found Grabbe's essay sufficiently interesting to forward, but all I
did was forward it. If you have questions, you will do better to
address them to: [email protected]
On Mon, 24 Jul 1995, Mac Norton wrote:
> Okay, thing is, I read all of the below, and it seems like
> the guy's trying hard to tell you that he'd bend over
> backward to make this case, even to the extent of associating
> with fringebinges like you, but your stuff keeps coming up
> fulla, um, thin air. Huh?
> On Mon, 24 Jul 1995, Brad Dolan wrote:
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 23:11:45 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: [email protected]
> > Subject: Part IX: Allegations re Vince Foster, the NSA, and Bank Spying
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, and
> > Banking Transaction Spying, Part IX
> > by J. Orlin Grabbe
> > July 23, 1995
> > Gregory Wierzynski
> > Assistant Staff Director
> > U.S. House of Representatives
> > Committee on Banking and Financial Services
> > 2129 Rayburn Building
> > Washington, D.C. 20515
> > 202-225-7502
> > Dear Mr. Wierzynski:
> > Thank you for email letter, a copy of which is attached.
> > I am not sure why you think my quoting selections from Mr. Jim Norman
> > necessarily implies endorsement or acceptance of them on my part. I have,
> > of course, quoted many, many selections from Mr. Norman, so perhaps you
> > could be more specific with respect to the ones you are concerned about.
> > Perhaps I could be of assistance to your inquiries among the spooks, if
> > only you could describe to me which points you have investigated, and how
> > you have investigated them. I certainly wouldn't want to promote anything
> > that, as you say, "flied in the face of facts."
> > On the other hand, I am greatly concerned about the use by Alltel
> > Information Services (formerly Systematics) of a libel attorney,
> > Charles O. Morgan, in an attempt to intimidate journalists and destroy
> > the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
> > And I am also gravely concerned about the possible leak of U.S. codes
> > and nuclear secrets to a foreign power, which is an issue of *real*
> > national security concern to the U.S. (Of course you and I both know
> > that "national security" is often used to hide the truth about sell-outs
> > of national security from the American people, by clamping a lid on
> > the discussion or reporting of things that are common knowledge among
> > U.S. military and security agencies, and even common knowledge to the
> > general public of the foreign power to which these secrets have been
> > compromised.)
> > Before reading my email, and your letter, I sent you a copy of "Part VIII:
> > Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, and Banking Transactions
> > Spying". There you will see from the quotes that the theft of U.S.
> > nuclear secrets by Israel is openly discussed in Israeli newspapers, so
> > I am sure that this is not one of the "off-the-wall" issues to which
> > you are referring. (With respect to that issue, I suggest that you do
> > some investigation in Tel Aviv.)
> > With respect to money laundering I am not concerned, for reasons I have
> > indicated in my essay "The End of Ordinary of Money", Parts I and II,
> > a copy of which I previously provided the Committee. The money-laundering
> > laws ought to be abolished, but in the meantime I do find the selective
> > enforcement of these laws troubling.
> > With respect to "Chuck in Kentucky", I know more than one Chuck in Kentucky,
> > so perhaps you could be more specific which Chuck you refer to. What stories
> > did he tell you, and how is it that they didn't pan out?
> > Since you have already spoken to both Jim and Chuck, I am taking the liberty
> > of sending a copy of this letter (and your letter) to Jim Norman, and to one
> > possible Chuck you may be referring to, so that perhaps they can explain to
> > me their failing to satisfy you as to the accuracy of their information.
> > Now, Mr. Wierzynski, I would like to bring up an issue about your Committee's
> > behavior that is troubling me. I am sure that there is an innocent
> > explanation that I am missing. You will recall the meeting that I had with
> > you and Mr. Stephen Ganis, the Counsel to the Committee, at the Four Seasons
> > in Georgetown on Monday, June 12, 1995. Two days previously I had been
> > playing volleyball in the Mall with Dana Rohrbacher and Jack Wheeler and some
> > others, and I had pulled most of the muscles in my right ankle. So I
> > asked everyone I was meeting to come over to the hotel, and you and Mr. Ganis
> > graciously consented. We met in the Four Seasons lounge, where I was the
> > only person not wearing shoes.
> > You told me that, more than money laundering in Mena, Arkansas, you were
> > interested as to whether there were any documents connecting Vince Foster
> > to Systematics, or whether I knew the name of any Systematics programmers
> > that may have worked to modify the PROMIS software to spy on banking
> > transactions. I told you I couldn't recall seeing any such documents, and
> > that I had come across the name of one programmer, but I had subsequently
> > forgotten it. It was a pleasant meeting, so to be helpful I gave you a
> > copy of Jim Norman's *Fostergate* that had been spiked from *Forbes*.
> > "Why would Steve Forbes kill the article?" you asked. I said I didn't
> > know, but that--since you appeared to know Steve Forbes--you should call
> > him yourself.
> > Now, much to my surprise, I find that the following happened: Just as
> > *Media Bypass* was about to run Jim Norman's article *Fostergate*, they
> > received a letter from Charles O. Morgan, indicating grave consequences
> > if they were so foolish as to print the article. Mr. Morgan claimed to know
> > what was in the article, because, he said, he had received a copy from Mr.
> > Stephen Ganis of your Committee!
> > I am bothered by the fact that while you alleged to me you were investigating
> > Systematics that at the same time you are passing along information to
> > Systematics. I am sure there is an innocent explanation. But consider this:
> > what if I had given you Foster-related documents and the names of Systematics
> > programmers? Would these have been passed along to Mr. Morgan also? As you
> > know, a number of people connected to this whole business have died violent
> > deaths in Arkansas. (Of course, I understand some of them had already been
> > paid off to keep their mouths shut, and didn't, and so--under any standard of
> > morality--deserved what they got.)
> > Well, things are never what they appear, so perhaps you can clear things up
> > for me. Please pass along my concern to Mr. Ganis, and tell him I will be
> > glad to sit down with him and have a drink, or share a line, and have a frank
> > discussion about this issue. (I have nothing against the use of any drug, if
> > used in moderation, and in the appropriate context.)
> > Regards,
> > Orlin
> > Attachment: Your letter to me
> > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > From: IN%"[email protected]" 23-JUL-1995 19:53:52.82
> > To: IN%"[email protected]"
> > CC:
> > Subj: RE: Part VII
> > Return-path: <[email protected]>
> > Received: from netcom13.netcom.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #10880)
> > id <[email protected]>; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 19:53:50 -0400 (EDT)
> > Received: by netcom13.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA03469; Sun,
> > 23 Jul 1995 16:51:04 -0700
> > Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 16:51:04 -0700
> > From: [email protected] (Gregory Wierzynski)
> > Subject: Re: Part VII
> > To: [email protected]
> > Message-id: <[email protected]>
> > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
> > Orlin --
> > We're reading your stuff with interest. Thank you for including me in your
> > list of recipients; I pass the material on to my boss and my colleagues on
> > the Committee.
> > I am somewhat surprised, however, that you accept the Norman piece without
> > raising any questions about its sources. We've talked to Jim and tried to
> > check out the sources he thought he could share with us. We have also done
> > a fair amount of investigating on our own using the resources available to
> > us--by which I mean officials inquiries to the spooks. So far we draw a
> > complete blank. Worse, the preponderance of the evidence suggests that
> > Jim's piece is pretty much off-the-wall. Worse still, it appears to fly in
> > the face not just of facts, but simple logic as well.
> > I haven't, by any means, given up on this subject, but pursuing a trail
> > grown cold is difficult to justify when you're paid by the taxpayer.
> > Do you have suggestions on how we could verify some of the elements in the
> > Norman story? I've talked to Chuck in Kentucky and am still in touch with
> > him. But his stories have not panned out, even partially. I would be most
> > interested in your ideas.
> > Best regards.
> > Greg
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