Re: True random numbers

[tcmay@got.net (Timothy C. May)]

At 10:13 PM 2/17/96, maruishi@netcom.com wrote:
>I think you are probably right when you say that it is not truely random.
>I don't think I thought about it very much, but this method does produce
>a kind of a pseudo random numbers.

Yes, it produces a "kind" of pseudo random number...the problem is
determining which "kind" it is and whether it is sufficient for the planned
use. The Netscape RNG also produced a "kind" of pseudo random number
generator...but it was insufficient, as events showed.

>    But I think it would be really hard to simulate this method because
>if you send data to a network way out there in Europe then all the
>machines in between can cause the tranmission to slow down or spend up
>depending on the type of lines nad CPU load etc...

If by "simulation" you mean "prediction," I agree. I agree that predicting
the next bit in a sequence might be hard. (But "hard" is a slippery term,
and the history of crypto is littered with the corpses of systems that
seemed to be hard but weren't.)

However, even predicting the next bit with 50.0001% accuracy might be
sufficient to reduce the work factor in an attack by many orders of
magnitude.

And some attacks might rely on the overall statistics of the bits, not just
the ability to predict the nth bit.

Again, there's a huge literature on this.

--Tim May

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