> if people like Sameer and Rich Salz (e.g., who have reputations > as knowledgeable and aware) are going to trash FV Thanks for the compliment. I never trashed FV or its protocols, as I don't know anything about them. I did comment on some of the principles of their principals, however, as this whole brou-ha-ha strikes me as a continuing slide to technical-intellectual dishonesty. /r$