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Re: [SCARE]: "If you only knew what we know..."
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On Sun, 26 May 1996, jim bell wrote:
:But it wouldn't matter. They wouldn't know who to target, and the people
:wanting to form a state have an inherent disadvantage against those who do
:not: The act of forming the state identifies them.
Real world anonymity is difficult to buy, and actions such as murder (or
what you'd like to call "self-defense") take place in the real world.
:It doesn't work like that. The act of formation of a state inevitably calls
:attention to oneself. The act of opposing that formation does not. AP is
:"biased," as it were, against centralized, organized political structure
:that arouses the ire of even a tiny fraction of the population. A person
:who dedicates himself to ELIMINMATING the state, and does so anonymously, is
:difficult or impossible to target.
I'd expect a realization of AP to promote a great backlash from a variety
of quarters. Such methods, besides being unethical, are probably going to
be used as fodder to infringe the liberties of others. In other words, a
witch-hunt will result, AP advocates marginalized (if they are
discovered). My original reservations, on the grounds of unjust means
still stand, maybe we can return to this discussion sometime later.
:No, the donations will be made against those people who are actually seen by
:the people as the real problem. In an "AP-world," there would be no
:"Islamic leaders" to call for Rushdie's death. True, if an author like
:Rushdie said or wrote something that really angered a substantial number of
:people, they might individually be aroused enough to target him, but that is
:far less likely than ire directed by an Islamic leader today, I think.
"Religious" fanatics have great appeal, I don't think even AP will make
them "go away", the odds are they'll become martyrs. And we know where
that takes us.
:I (and others) have predicted that there will indeed be "court systems" in
:place, although they will be numerous, competing, and voluntary, which will
:turn most offenses into crimes punishable by fines. That will adjust the
:punishment to the crime, in most people's opinions.
I wasn't talking about the legal system in an AP world, but the idea that
AP is justice in some sense. Incidentally, a purely civil law court is
what I'd like as well, and competing courts and arbitration systems sound
good to me.
:No "values will be protected," except those that the individuals in society
:choose to be protected.
<snip>
:> Marx was not the first to poitn out that institutions influence
:>our actions, that we are products of our times, that the choices we face
:>are as much determined by our own preferences as they are by the world
:>around us. AP will create an environment where, I believe, an
:>undesireable set of options will be presented to each of us. This is
:>the "outcome" argument, i.e. undesireable ends, the means themselves are
:>reprehensible.
The answer (in some sense) to your second statement is contained in the
little section I wrote earlier. It's an institutional argument.
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