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Re: Why Jodi Hoffman must be called a 'Dumb Cunt' and told to 'Go Fuck Yourself' at all costs, by TruthMonger
Jodi Hoffman wrote:
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> TruthMonger wrote:
> <snipped, because it's basically a lot of crap>
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> Monger:
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> Feel better? I certainly hope so.
> By the way...for whatever it's worth:
> #1...I'm Jewish, not a Nazi-loving Christian bitch.
> #2...You have no idea who or what I am.
> #3...You hate that I'm right. I love that.
>
>
> #1...I'm Jewish, not a Nazi-loving Christian bitch. I have to assume you were not born Jewish, nor converted to
Judaism. I have yet to meet a Jew w/ such a fundamentalist Christian view
of the world. If you were indeed born Jewish, I will apologize ahead of
time and say only that, your education in yiddishkeit(Jewish life) and
halakhah(Jewish law) must either have been nonexistant, or Lubavich. I
suspect you consider yourself jewish because you are a jew for jesus. A
Christian who has decided to adopt jewish tradition and therefore calls
themself jewish. I bring these points to your attention:
> "DON'T SACRIFICE MY CHILD
>ON THE ALTAR OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT." Jews have never been advocates of censorship in any form. A Jews were not
allowed to act, speak, or pray in WWII Germany, they were sent to death
instead. Jews are not allowed to worship or read the holy books in
communist countries. The greatest Jewish leaders through out history,
read and argued dissenting viewpoints, they did not censor them.Even
today, Jews take responsibility for their own children, they do not ask
others to do it for them. The more orthodox place their children in
private schools at their own expense, and teach their children to stay
away from non-jews, they don't expect everyone else to bend to their
views.
I strongly doubt any Jew would choose use a quote from hitler.
> Christians, clergy, and even Christ Himself
>are held up as objects of scorn Why do you use these terms? Why not Rabbis, teachers, and even the Ten
Commandments? And the term Christ himself????As far as Jews are
concerned, Jesus was nothing more than a minor prophet. It is upsetting
that other religion's icons are held in scorn, but this is because we
respect other people's belief.
>Homosexuality, abortion, violence, and contempt for all parental and
>governmental authority is the prevailing order of the day. Yes homosexuality is forbbidden, however, abortion and
contraception is NOT! Even for the very orthodox, abortion is ALWAYS
allowed to save a woman's life and in ANY case rape or incest. Among
non-orthodox Jews, it is allowed if necessary for the sake of the family,
or for the mental health of the woman. Even among the most orthodox,
contraception is allowed after the birth of at least 1 male and 1 female
child, and the sexual act is considered a mandatory act of mutual
pelasure!
I think you would find most Jews believe that contempt for
parents, and lack of respect for adults is a direct result of upbringing,
not the media or the internet.Jews teach respect by example, including
respecting their own children. That, plus a healthy dose of jewish guilt.
Jewish parents hold their children in such high regard, that there is no
worse feeling than dissapointing your parents.
While I don't think Jews as a whole hold the government in
contepmt, they are among the first to say 'question authority'.Look at
what has happened to us when we don't!(and sometimes even when we do)
>particularly powerful form of media is represented by the so-called
>"arts community." Some latter-day "artists" actually make a
>pretty good living by mocking traditional values and Christianity.
>Consider Andres Sorrano's "Piss Christ" (a photograph of a crucifix
>submerged in urine) or Robert Mapplethorp's photos, which include one
>showing a bullwhip protruding out of his rear end. Many Jews are great patrons of the arts. Art is a cultural
legacy. If it's trash, don't by it or look at it; don't sponsor a museum
that exhibits that trash, but censor? Never! Even pornography is
allowable, it is up to the parents to educate the children on these
matters.
> But they say not
>a word when it is pointed out that the Bible and all mention of morality
>in textbooks have been ruthlessly hounded from the schools. It's called the Tanakh(Old Testament) not the bible. Jews have
always insisted that their children get a Jewish education as well as an
ecumenical one. from kindergarten on, Jewish children usually spend hours
each week in hebrew school learning jewish history, law and culture. You
cannot be b'nai Mitzvoh unles you go through all this. Even someone who
converts to Judaism, must study until the Rabbi feels the have learned
enough, before they can b'nai Mitzvah.
>Any individual weakness is treated as a problem of society, not of the
>person, and this relieves everyone of the responsibility of improving
>themselves. Jews take responsibility not just for themselves but for the
welfare of society, without any other agenda. The Mitzvah(good deed) is
one of the top 5 most importanat things about being a jew. It means
giving simply for the sake of others. Children are shown, very early, how
good it feels to do a mitzvah, and all jews are encouraged to do a
mitzvah a day. They don't blame problems on society(as you seem to), nor
do they expect the government to fix the problem(as you seem to). The
best way to solve these problems is to offer help freely to resolve the
problem, Not find a way to place blame(as you seem to). Is pornography
really the problem, or is it that our youth are out of control and lack
leadership and role models? Banning dirty words will not keep children
from learning them. Teaching children how people use them and why they
are innapropriate will. Teaching "bible" at school will not instill
morality, teaching by example will.
>#2...You have no idea who or what I am. We have learned enough about you, through your messages here and
you web site, to draw rather strong conclusions.
> #3...You hate that I'm right. I love that. I intensely dislike your views, I don't hate anyone. I feel sorry
for you, that your lack of education has left you vulnerable to the
pseudo-science that you quote. It is obvious that you have never had a
course in statistics, politics and government, sociology, science, ot
research methods, to name a few. Jewish culture AND religion take great
pride in holding education as one of the primary foundations of being a
Jew!
Jew prize knowledge and education. Ideas are things to be nurtured and
grown, books are things to be cherished and absorbed.The idea of
censorship is an anathema to the entire culture.
If you were Jewish you would know at least some of this. It makes you and
your arguments even less credible when you portray yourself as something
you're not. Let's at least have a little honesty here even if we
completely disagree on the censorship issue. Khlallah: gey en dregk
Men roybt undz dos lebn un recht
Derfar vayl mir emes farlangen
Frayhayt, far bafrayt
They steal our lives and our rights,
because of our true desire,
freedom, freedom for everyone
(from"tortured to death in captivity")
G.A.Machtet, poet
dedicated to student revolutionaries
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Channah beyt Yehudit
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