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Re: Cypherpunk Policeman?
Guy wrote:
> Has '[email protected]' replaced '[email protected]'?
Apparently it hasn't, because I never got a copy of my own post back.
So, here it is again...
> From [email protected] Mon Feb 23 16:26:58 1998
>
> Guy <[email protected]> claims that he managed to persuade PSInet (who
> Dimitri used as his ISP) to pull his plug.
Leaving him with full access to a minimum of three other accounts.
Don't cry for him, Ukrainia...
> I'd just like to feed back to Guy that I think this is uncool, and
> that it is counter productive.
Hey, maybe _you_ would get a warm and fuzzy feeling when
Dimitry posts a death threat (including to this list) and
signs your name: not me.
! I will gladly pay the $50,000 (canadian) reward to whomever KILLS
! Chris Lewis and his family, who reside in a suburb of Ottawa.
! I'm putting the notice of the CAUCE reward on http://www.panix.com/~guy
! ---guy
> Guy, you may not have hit it off with Dimitri, but this is no reason
> to go attempting to censor people. Ever heard of a kill file?
Censor?
Yeah, and the "Freedom Fighters" who are against any spam cancellation
do so because they are fighting "censorship".
I don't think so.
> As an aside I don't think getting into a dirty tricks contest with
> Dimitri is a good idea, I am pretty sure Dimitri could win by a large
> margin if he cared to.
No dirty tricks involved: I complained to PSINet using traffic analysis.
If he had simply called me a cocksucker, I would not have complained.
> Guy <[email protected]> writes:
> > PSINet terminated Vulis for stalking, which I documented he did to a
> > minimum of four people.
>
> What is your working definition of stalking as applied to a mailing
> list, USENET or email? What are you talking about?
In addition to death threats, forging death threats: he tries to get
people fired from their jobs.
But Dimitry can't figure out where I work (MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA), reducing
him to saying I was fired from where I _used to_ work.
<snicker>
This stalking: attempting to deprive someone of their right to work.
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> From [email protected] Mon Feb 23 17:14:50 1998
>
> At 1:24 PM -0800 2/23/98, Adam Back wrote:
> >Guy <[email protected]> claims that he managed to persuade PSInet (who
> >Dimitri used as his ISP) to pull his plug.
> >
> >I'd just like to feed back to Guy that I think this is uncool, and
> >that it is counter productive.
> >
> >Guy, you may not have hit it off with Dimitri, but this is no reason
> >to go attempting to censor people. Ever heard of a kill file?
>
> I agree with Adam. As one who has borne a frontal assault of Vulis' insults
> and raves, and (in all probability his) ASCII artwork, I dealt with it by
> filtering as much of it as I could into a trash file.
Oh, great, an independently wealthy person is telling me it's not a problem
that a known stalker has posted angrily to this list asking if anyone knows
where I work.
> In my 10 years of actively being on the Net (though my first ARPANet
> account was in 1973), I've complained a handful of times to postmasters,
> and only _once_ because of content. The rest were about spam, mail bombs,
> etc.
>
> The one content-based complaint I made was about Lawrence Detweiler's
> attachment of my name to pro-Hitler, anti-Jewish rants he sent to
> newsgroups like alt.culture.jewish and alt.culture.german.
Then please explain why you agree with Adam, since I decided to complain
to PSINet about Vulis stalking me and signing my name to death threats?
> If Vulis can have his account yanked for calling Guy a pedophile, what
> about all those who have called Arthur C. Clarke a pedophile?
>
> Has there been any determination (and what does that mean anyway?) as to
> whether either Guy or Clarke are pedophiles?
Ahhh, that's the wrong question. Look past your nose.
Calling me a pedophile is one part of Vulis' patented style of stalking
attacks. Add to that him saying I was fired from consulting work for
being a pedophile, asking if anyone knows where I now work, etc: stalking.
It wasn't merely him being insulting, but part of a larger
Simon-Barr-Sinister pattern of behavior.
Certain behavior is not permissible regardless of the venue.
Not a direct analogy, but: you would censor (CENSOR! CENSOR!) people
who work for you who wanted to speak "Ebonics" on the job.
Gosh, how dare you deprive them of their right to free speech!.
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> From [email protected] Mon Feb 23 21:35:47 1998
>
> John Young <[email protected]> writes:
> > Since Guy's death notice Dimitri's telephone has not answered
> > several tries. The number of his sig: 1-718-261-2013, in Brooklyn
> > across floater bay from here.
> >
> > Was he whacked as well as unplugged? Or is he hiding from the
> > peds, plotting anthrax terror posing as Jim Kallstrom?
>
> OK, Guy, could you fill us in on what exactly you did to get PSInet to
> pull Dimitri's plug?
Exactly what I said: I submitted traffic analysis reports ("the big picture")
regarding Vulis' stalking activity via PSINet to their legal people.
I have previously posted to this list a dejanews URL for an early
traffic analysis report on him that I posted to Usenet.
It was like that, only more complete and specifically oriented towards
getting him spanked.
> Did it involve calls to law enforcement?
No.
He used an anonymous remailer for the death threat.
His personal stalking of me didn't get far before I blew him off PSINet.
I'm sure he's learned his lesson. ;-)
He's still here, but sulking silently. He's run out of dirty tricks.
> Is it likely that your claims would have been relayed by PSI to law
> enforcement?
Oh, I _wish_ I had that kind of influence.
Of course, in the Cryptography Manifesto polemic, I have said not-nice
things about law enforcement, as part of complaining about Key Recovery
and the general Orwellian state of affairs.
Guy's CM: Louis Freeh is a Scary Man with the morals of a styrofoam cup.
On the other hand, I do believe most FBI personnel are good people
who perform an invaluable service for all of us.
Guy's CM: This posting isn't about the many good FBI and other law enforcement people.
Gee, could I do a better job of offending both "sides"? ;-)
> If you have taken this far enough to get Dimitri into legal trouble,
> and your claims are untrue, or exaggerated, I think you owe it to
> Dimitri to try to undo some of this stuff fast!
Hell.
Freeze.
Over.
> What did you tell PSInet?
I documented his stalking behavior via PSINet, documented that he
had begun stalking me via PSINet, and stated that if they didn't
terminate him and he continued stalking me, I would sue them.
And that the traffic analysis report they were holding was
what a jury would use to decide PSINet was liable for their
continued (after _years_ of people's complaints) inaction.
---guy
With Vulis, the best defense is a good offense.