Cypherpunks Threads for 1997 07
- Re: mailing list,
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}
- Re: Dr. Dobbs Cryptography and Security CD-ROM,
Peter Gutmann
- Re: NRA and National Online Records Check bullshit,
Kent Crispin
- Turn Your Debts Into Real Wealth!!,
tcmarket
- Novell's Eric Schmidt on rating systems,
Declan McCullagh
- Free markets and crypto,
Tim May
- Legal Adult Content,
email
- Re: Marc Andreessen on encryption and CDA,
geeman
- Re: Has your privacy been invaded? Protected? Both?,
geeman
- DEF CON V Convention Announcement #1.19 (06.30.97),
Declan McCullagh
- The Walsh Report,
John Young
- Re: Hettinga's e$yllogism,
tzeruch
- Copyright / Re: Dr. Dobbs Cryptography and Security CD-ROM,
Anonymous
- Clinton's Laissez-Faire Policy,
Ross Wright
- Jeff's Side of the Story.,
Tim May
- Degaussing,
Secret Squirrel
- Re: Netscape Exploit,
Anonymous
- Re: Internet - Good & Bad [CNN],
Secret Squirrel
- Public Forum on Certificate Authorities and Digital Signatures,
Robert A. Costner
- non-US encryption,
Megan McCormack
- a little problem...,
Pedro David Castanheira Polonia
- Crypto Law Survey updated,
Bert-Jaap Koops
- special notice,
07594284
- New Jersey's 'sexy' counties (fwd),
Ray Arachelian
- ** INNOVATIONS: SPYING SAUCER ** (fwd),
Ray Arachelian
- Re: Column, July 8,
BigNuts
- This was forged:: Re: This is NOT trespassing.,
Ray Arachelian
- Re: Liberating the Bits,
BigNuts
- Good Cop/Bad Cop,
BigNuts
- TSCM Intelligence Update - Spread Spectrum Surveillance Modules,
James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng
- Cooper/Birman message service / IBM's anonymous remailer,
Ulf M�ller
- Interesting anonymous off-shore banking ad,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- They want your keys,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- Japanese Balloon Bomb Special - Info,
Jim Choate
- update.328 (fwd),
Jim Choate
- Can You Handle $50,000,
Anne
- What are the available anonymous remailers?,
Alan Tu
- Test 3,
Tim May
- Test 4,
Tim May
- PGP security problems?,
Anonymous
- http://hipcrime.home.ml.org,
cypherpunks
- urban environment visualization systems,
Ulf M�ller
- CABLE DESCRAMBLER...Build Cheap & Easy!,
78173518
- URGENT: I think I owe you some money!!!,
how
- Re: McVeigh Sentence,
Anonymous
- AAAS Anonymity Project,
Robert Hettinga
- ISP signatures on outgoing mail,
Anonymous
- Adults ONLY!!!,
webpromo
- Important Announcement for Barron's Online Subscribers,
Barrons Online
- MASS E-MAIL,
jay0070
- Free investment information!,
77574525
- Walk the Talk.,
empower
- $$$ GET YOUR SHARE $$$,
newlife
- hi,
Moreno Daltin
- Re: Clinton nixes domestic encryption right,
Robert Hettinga
- index.html,
Jim Choate
- SET and dual use,
Robert Hettinga
- e$: $MTP?,
Robert Hettinga
- Crypto Risks and Rewards,
John Young
- Re: e$: $MTP? (fwd),
Ryan Anderson
- Make $$$ with 800 Phone Numbers,
claudine
- Fuck the Fourth (and the First, Second....),
Anonymous
- Key Recovery Policy in Japan,
Joichi Ito
- Income Tax News - July 4th Edition,
FutureGate Web Services
- Walsh Report Update,
John Young
- InfoWorld discovers reputation capital,
Robert Hettinga
- PGP 5.0 source soon to be available for d/l,
Lucky Green
- CyberSitter "Encryption",
Alan Olsen
- The easiest credit repair and improvement kit,
relay
- procmail and hashcash,
Secret Squirrel
- Citizen's Line Item Veto (was Re: Just Say "No" to Congress),
Steve Schear
- Hack the Mars rover,
Lucky Green
- Direct satellite systems?,
Lucky Green
- The international PGP pgae ?,
Jason William RENNIE
- Germany Wants A Rematch,
Anonymous
- Inexpensive Web Space,
websp
- Re: Mack the Harrs over,
Zooko Journeyman
- golf stuff,
ballman
- Nat Sec in Your Home,
John Young
- Re: Mack the Harrs over (fwd),
Jim Choate
- Direct satellite systems? (fwd),
Jim Choate
- Re: Mack the Harrs over (fwd) (correction),
Jim Choate
- Re: Hack the Mars rover (fwd),
Jim Choate
- can i join,
Drifter0
- Jim Bell 6,
John Young
- nsa+gchq spying operation,
Vladimir Z. Nuri
- NOISE jamming...,
Dave Emery
- No Subject,
Jazzmin Belle Sommers
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- No Subject,
geeman
- No Subject,
Peterson, Doug
- No Subject,
Mix
- No Subject,
Anonymous
- No Subject,
Secret Squirrel
- No Subject,
Name Withheld by Request
- No Subject,
Robert Hettinga
- No Subject,
Mix
- No Subject,
Anonymous
- No Subject,
loveinlife919
- No Subject,
David Downey
- No Subject,
Anonymous
- No Subject,
Mix
- No Subject,
Harry Tuttle Remailer
- Attorney,
health
- [STEGO] RSA,
Anonymous
- List of reliable remailers,
Raph Levien
- FYI: NSA Requests Source Code From Elvis+,
Robert Hettinga
- DCSB: Duncan Frissell and MarketEarth,
Robert Hettinga
- Hoarding,
Steve Schear
- Australian encryption policy report released!,
John Gilmore
- [MILCOM] NSA: struggling with diversity ...,
Dave Emery
- I Lost 4 lbs. in 4 Days...Without Dieting!!!,
25532129
- WOW-COM(TM) News Update,
wcreply
- Welcome To Cypherpunks! / Re: can i join,
Cypherpunk
- Re: Forged Posts,
BadRemailer
- Need Money? This REALLY works!!!,
Ashish Mahajan
- Re: A.Word.A.Day--cryptozoology / Was Re: Forgeries,
Anonymous
- You Might Find This Interesting & Informative. I Did.,
user329
- Free Florida Vacation,
markdan
- IEEE-USA & USACM Letter on S. 909,
ACM US Public Policy Office
- Contracts on the Net (NYT),
amp
- piracy,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- Spread Spectrum Surveillance Modules,
Dave Del Torto
- German Official Pleas for Strong Encryption,
Donald Weightman
- A really meaningfull upgrade,
Casey Iverson
- Israel admits that its crypto policy was imposed by the US,
John Gilmore
- Article on Jim Bell/Assassination Politics,
Declan McCullagh
- Home-based Business Opportunity,
img
- Web security book finally available,
Avi Rubin
- [PGP-USERS] A start ... (hopefully) ...,
Darryl Rowe (by way of Alec McCrackin <[email protected]>)
- First Monday, July 1997,
Robert Hettinga
- French satellite attack...,
Jim Choate
- German Army Train Neo-Nazis,
Magus Mixmaster Remailer
- Copy of: Bonn Conference - press release and links to final conference documents on the WWW,
Theodor.SCHLICKMANN
- Self-certified keys,
Theodor.SCHLICKMANN
- Bonn Konferenz (2),
Theodor.SCHLICKMANN
- The Vulisbot,
Secret Squirrel
- Rose Bird vs Multi-Ethnic Diversity/IRS racial quotas,
WinSock Remailer
- More on crypto from Bonn,
Donald Weightman
- More PGP volunteers needed,
Lucky Green
- Adults ONLY,
Ameritech.net subscriber email information
- Jim Bell reference,
Kevin L Prigge
- News of the Wired,
Anonymous
- FWD: SCIENTISTS PROPOSE NEW ENCRYPTION SCHEME,
Edgar W Swank
- Potential terrorists,
Phillip M. Hallam-Baker
- Hacker cracks ESPN,
Lynne L. Harrison
- circ-1.0.4: RSA and 3DES for IRC,
FreeLSD
- Cast of Characters for Crypto Politics (Judiciary Hearing),
Declan McCullagh
- Recreational pharmaceuticals by genetic engineering,
Steve Schear
- Cypherpunks cap?,
Lucky Green
- US and EU at odds on data protection,
Theodor.SCHLICKMANN
- Gene Engineered Drug Production,
Jim Choate
- The Recent Trend in "Collective Contracts",
Tim May
- Question...,
zx325s7xv
- Domain names and "The Network $olution", from The Netly News,
Declan McCullagh
- TRUTHMONGER UNMASKED!!!,
Anonymous
- Acclivity - A global web of change management,
Marc Fourny
- FBI wants domestic crypto keys,
Alan Olsen
- Re: Recreational pharmaceuticals by genetic engineering (fwd),
Ray Arachelian
- Airlines to start profiling, bag matching,
Alan Olsen
- [NEWS] Computer Coding Could Cripple Cops, FBI Warns,
Dave Del Torto
- A cheery note from USA Today,
Alan Olsen
- Electronic Commerce Book,
Ravi Kalakota
- Major International Credit Card,
markdan
- Controversy over UK escrow proposal (fwd),
Paul Bradley
- Submit Your Web-Site to 200+ engines/indexes,
FutureGate Web Services
- MEETING: July SF Bay Area Meeting Saturday at Stanford,
Hugh Daniel
- Jim Bell (FINALLY!) Charged,
Alan
- Re: Freeh's Testimony (FBI Seeks Domestic GAK),
Duncan Frissell
- Subject: Re: The Recent Trend in "Collective Contracts",
Peter Swire
- Re: Underground extract: System X,
proff
- NEWS: Freedom of Movement Could Cripple Cops, FBI Warns,
Tim May
- New Add-On Law / Re: Freeh's Testimony (FBI Seeks Domestic GAK),
Anonymous
- Routing around damage,
Anonymous
- Re: New Add-On Law,
Anonymous
- From Bad to Worse / Re: Jim Bell (FINALLY!) Charged,
Anonymous
- At Last ! FREE HITS from SexSwap,
linkhost
- McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative by Rebecca Vesely 3:06pm 11.Jul.97.PDT Senator John McCain, sponsor of legislation that would create a domestic key recovery system for all encrypted commercial transactions and personal communications, said Friday that he is open to hearing alternatives to such a plan. "We are not wedded entirely to key recovery," the Arizona Republican said in an interview. McCain, chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee, and Senator Bob Kerrey (D-Nebraska) introduced the Secure Public Networks Act last month. Privacy advocates and much of the high-tech industry oppose domestic key recovery on grounds that it would violate civil rights and be impractical and expensive to build and manage. McCain said he met with Microsoft representatives recently to discuss a new technology being developed by the software giant that could be less intrusive and problematic than key recovery. The senator also said he plans to meet with Netscape officials next week to discuss yet another alternative. Officials from Netscape were not immediately available for comment. "I'm saying, OK, if you have another solution, I'd like to hear it," McCain said, though he stressed that protecting national security remains his "first obligation." The McCain-Kerrey bill includes provisions for setting up a voluntary domestic key recovery system, including incentives for those who participate. Critics say participation in the key-management infrastructure wouldn't really be voluntary - it would be a prerequisite to conducting electronic commerce. Encryption, or data-scrambling technology, is widely viewed as the cornerstone to e-commerce because it conceals credit card numbers and other personal information traveling over networks. Key recovery, as outlined in the bill, would create a system of certificate authorities to whom users would give a copy of their data keys. Law enforcement could then access that copy of your key through a court order. McCain's flexibility on the issue could influence the debate over how to protect national security while allowing a free market to flourish in the digital age. Just two days ago, at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on the bill, FBI director Louis Freeh testified on the need for mandatory domestic key recovery, and some senators on the committee, notably the chairman, Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), seemed to agree that some sort of domestic key recovery is needed to allow law enforcement to wiretap suspect digital communications and transactions.,
Alan Olsen
- McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative,
Alan
- [email protected] ??,
John Deters
- [email protected] ?? (fwd),
Jim Choate
- Hey Danny, look what I found.,
sol98hy7g
- Just For You !!!,
q2ds
- Hey Robbie, look what I found.,
david378eh
- 5 FREE XXX Streaming Videos...,
84465615
- Citizens' Butts Open to Key Recovery Alternative,
Anonymous
- Your mail sent to me by mistake.,
trump
- Re: Microsoft and Netscape to Provide McCain with Options?,
geeman
- From Hatch's testimony,
Robert Hettinga
- Int'l High School Exchange,
buyguy222
- Advertise to 100 MILLION People for FREE!!,
nim
- Solution to McKain's worries,
geeman
- Ashcroft Encryption Editorial,
Robert Hettinga
- Re: FCPUNX:Jim Bell 6,
James Donald
- credit card,
a54
- Bizarre e-mail in the orphan mailbox,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- OFFSHORE CREDIT CARD,WE'LL PAY YOU IF YOU DON'T QUALIFY!,
OPPORTUNTIES
- Keep Feds' nose out of the Net, by Sen. John Ashcroft,
Declan McCullagh
- "Support Sumbersible Technologies",
flashflood
- Subj: Kiwanis Club Update (7/97),
autosavr
- Jerry Springer Crypto Special,
Anonymous
- Going to any festivals?,
Shift Control
- law as enemy: was Re: Jim Bell reference,
Antonomasia
- Campingsport Amsterdam,
Secret Squirrel
- Making Imaginary Sex Illegal,
Alan Olsen
- Register *any* domain name,
Lucky Green
- Try us FREE with $10.00 Long Distance...9.9 Cents per Minute!,
61766626
- Spread Spectrum Update,
James M. Atkinson, Comm-Eng
- Electronic commerce has long way to go,
Marc Briceno
- IMMEDIATE CASH,
46781220
- Traffic On Your Site Down,
promo
- If you build it, they will con, from the Netly News,
Declan McCullagh
- Australia's restricted Walsh crypto-report attracts interest,
Declan McCullagh
- Cryptography Seminars and Confrences,
Shane_Nifong
- update on Crowds,
Mike Reiter
- Youve got to see this !,
KinkyBabe
- C2Net Software's Stronghold Web Server Adds nCipher Hardware Encryption Support,
Robert Hettinga
- Re: CCTV Cameras in Britain,
Damaged Justice
- White House swaps stand and decides to invite ACLU after all,
Declan McCullagh
- [FC97] Anonymous Networking?,
Secret Squirrel
- Make at Least $50,000 in Less than 90 Days !!,
Glen
- Prepaid/anon net access,
Greg Broiles
- Global Banking Docs,
John Young
- The Big Sellout,
Declan McCullagh
- [ANNOUNCE] IETF "OpenPGP" Standard thread beginning,
Dave Del Torto
- Create your own Screen Savers!,
91240053
- Re: CCTV Cameras in Britain (fwd),
Jim Choate
- PGP 5.0 source available (but not online yet),
Ian Goldberg
- The Censorware Summit: A Preview, from The Netly News,
Declan McCullagh
- Re: The Censorware Summit: A Preview, from The Netly News,
Lucky Green
- Re: The Censorware Summit: A Preview, from The Netly News,
Declan McCullagh
- Re: The Censorware Summit: A Preview, from The Netly News,
William H. Geiger III
- Re: The Censorware Summit: A Preview, from The Netly News,
William H. Geiger III
- Re: The Censorware Summit: A Preview, from The Netly News,
Declan McCullagh
- Re: The Censorware Summit: A Preview, from The Netly News,
frissell
- Re: The Censorware Summit: A Preview, from The Netly News,
Declan McCullagh
- Re: The Censorware Summit: A Preview, from The Netly News,
Bill Frantz
- All of my fucking material is suitable for children of all ages,
Tim May
- Re: The Censorware Summit: A Preview, from The Netly News,
Kent Crispin
- Re: The Censorware Summit: A Preview, from The Netly News,
Doug Peterson
- Re: The Censorware Summit: A Preview, from The Netly News,
Greg Broiles
- Re: The Censorware Summit: A Preview, from The Netly News,
Duncan Frissell
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: The Censorware Summit: A Preview, from The Netly News,
Antonomasia
- Gee, *this* sounds familiar... (Was Re: ICONOCAST 15-Jul-97),
Robert Hettinga
- White House "kinder, gentler"-CDA/censor empowerment meeting,
Declan McCullagh
- SPA statement and RSAC release,
Declan McCullagh
- White House "kinder, gentler"-CDA/censor empowerment meeting (fwd),
Jim Choate
- If You Build It, They Will Con (fwd),
Ray Arachelian
- "The Failure to Do Your Job" amendment (was Re: White House ...),
John Deters
- Attorneys: RSA patent invalid,
Lucky Green
- Censorware empowerment meeting (was satire),
Declan McCullagh
- Censorware Summit Take II, from The Netly News,
Declan McCullagh
- Re: Censorware Summit Take II, from The Netly News,
Paul Bradley
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: Censorware Summit Take II, from The Netly News,
geeman
- Re: Censorware Summit Take II, from The Netly News,
Declan McCullagh
- Re: Censorware Summit Take II, from The Netly News,
William H. Geiger III
- Re: Censorware Summit Take II, from The Netly News,
Lucky Green
- Re: Censorware Summit Take II, from The Netly News,
William H. Geiger III
- Re: Censorware Summit Take II, from The Netly News,
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}
- Re: Censorware Summit Take II, from The Netly News,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- Re: Censorware Summit Take II, from The Netly News,
Alan
- Re: Censorware Summit Take II, from The Netly News,
Kent Crispin
- Re: Censorware Summit Take II, from The Netly News,
John Adams
- Re: Censorware Summit Take II, from The Netly News,
Jim Burnes
- Re: Censorware Summit Take II, from The Netly News,
Jim Burnes
- Will Monolithic Apps Dominate?,
Tim May
- Re: Will Monolithic Apps Dominate?,
Unprivileged user
- Re: Will Monolithic Apps Dominate?,
Robert Hettinga
- Re: Will Monolithic Apps Dominate?,
Mismatched NFS IDs
- Re: Will Monolithic Apps Dominate?,
sar
- Re: Will Monolithic Apps Dominate?,
Robert Hettinga
- Re: Will Monolithic Apps Dominate?,
Mismatched NFS IDs
- Re: Will Monolithic Apps Dominate?,
Mismatched NFS IDs
- Re: Will Monolithic Apps Dominate?,
sar
- Re: Will Monolithic Apps Dominate?,
Michael Stutz
- Re: Will Monolithic Apps Dominate?,
William H. Geiger III
- Re: Censorware Summit Take II, from The Netly News,
Michael Stutz
- Re: Censorware Summit Take II, from The Netly News,
Steve Schear
- Re: White House "kinder, gentler"-CDA,
Anonymous
- Rep. Rick White on White House censorware summit (fwd),
Declan McCullagh
- The Real Plan: Making the Net Safe for Censorship,
Declan McCullagh
- Time Online chat at 8 pm: Does the Net need a Nanny?,
Declan McCullagh
- Re: HeavensGate Mirror incomplete/censored,
Declan McCullagh
- Justice is Done,
Declan McCullagh
- DefCon revisited -- other reports on the conference,
Declan McCullagh
- Microsoft will NOT ship browser with RSACi on by default,
Declan McCullagh
- Re: FCPUNX:'The Failure to Do Your Job' amendment (was Re: White House,
James A. Donald
- WE MAKE HUGE PROFITS!!! FACT!,
75825118
- Verisign gets export approval,
Bill Stewart
- Re: Verisign gets export approval,
Lucky Green
- Re: Verisign gets export approval,
Adam Shostack
- Re: Verisign gets export approval,
Tom Weinstein
- Re: Verisign gets export approval,
Lucky Green
- Re: Verisign gets export approval,
Tom Weinstein
- Re: Verisign gets export approval,
Adam Shostack
- Re: Verisign gets export approval,
Tom Weinstein
- Re: Verisign gets export approval,
Steve Schear
- Re: Verisign gets export approval,
amp
- Re: Verisign gets export approval,
Tom Weinstein
- Re: Verisign gets export approval,
Steve Schear
- Re: Verisign gets export approval,
Tom Weinstein
- Re: Verisign gets export approval,
Ian Goldberg
- Re: Verisign gets export approval,
Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law
- Re: Verisign gets export approval,
Tom Weinstein
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: Verisign gets export approval,
Phillip M. Hallam-Baker
- de minimus non curat lex,
Anonymous
- sorry,
Ross Wright
- Cookie that help you lose wieght!!!,
01093775
- CDA II,
President
- Re: All of my fucking material is suitable for children of all ages,
Anonymous
- Fuck You Rating Systems, Inc.,
Anonymous
- EuroEnglish,
Anonymous
- i miss carol anne cyphergrrl,
Zooko Journeyman
- Re: VeriSign Granted First Federal Approval to Issue CertificatesEnabling Export of Strong Encryption,
Steve Schear
- Icosahedral dice,
Roland Silver
- A.Jensen doesn't like Sympatico.ca,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- The information you requested.,
jackimg
- <sigh>,
William H. Geiger III
- Re: payment & tents,
Hacking In Progress
- AlterNIC takes over InterNIC traffic,
Steve Schear
- HISTORY - pre-CDA, "compromise", untrue civil-liberties groups (fwd),
Declan McCullagh
- Center for Security Policy calls for domestic key escrow (fwd),
Declan McCullagh
- PFF's Jeff Eisenach: "Time to Walk the Walk on Telecom Policy",
Declan McCullagh
- ESPN hacked -- got info? (fwd),
Declan McCullagh
- Credit Card$$$ NO Credit Check,,,,,,Make MoNeY!!,
95455180
- fbi wiretapping law runs into friction,
Vladimir Z. Nuri
- Government and Whom we Trust,
Tim May
- court order required for keys?,
Roger Schlafly
- mondex,
Ryan Lackey
- spawn of Vulis,
Zooko Journeyman
- $140/day, Full 90 Day Guarantee!!!,
entreprenuers
- Brookings Inst. on crypto: "There are reasonable compromises",
Declan McCullagh
- FTC privacy comments from CEI and National Consumer Coalition,
Declan McCullagh
- Re: FC: Brookings Inst. on crypto: "There are reasonable compromises" (fwd),
Declan McCullagh
- 'Thanks for This Important Commitment',
Dave K-P
- PGMedia Comments on the Failure of the NSI-Controlled DNS System,
pgMedia
- http:--cnnfn.com-digitaljam-wires-9707-18-encryption_wg-,
Jim Choate
- Keepers of the keys,
Declan McCullagh
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Lizard
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Steve Schear
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Carl Ellison
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Tim May
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Kent Crispin
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Marshall Clow
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Tim May
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Kent Crispin
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Declan McCullagh
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Alan
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Kent Crispin
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Steve Schear
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Kent Crispin
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Paul Bradley
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Jim Burnes
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Kent Crispin
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Ray Arachelian
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Colin Rafferty
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Carl Ellison
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Phillip M. Hallam-Baker
- Re: Keepers of the keys,
Lizard
- RE: Keepers of the keys,
jay holovacs
- MN CP meeting?,
Robert Hayden-0797-EMP-HSE
- Crypto implants,
Steve Schear
- Something of Interest,
IRS Inspection
- Something of Interest (fwd),
Alan
- Re: Something of Interest (fwd),
Mac Norton
- Re: Something of Interest (fwd),
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- Re: Something of Interest (fwd),
Steven L Baur
- Re: Something of Interest (fwd),
Jeremy Mineweaser
- IRS sending warning notes, violating ECPA?,
Tim May
- Re: IRS sending warning notes, violating ECPA?,
Declan McCullagh
- Re: IRS sending warning notes, violating ECPA?,
Paul Bradley
- Re: IRS sending warning notes, violating ECPA?,
Kent Crispin
- Re: IRS sending warning notes, violating ECPA?,
Paul Bradley
- Re: IRS sending warning notes, violating ECPA?,
amp
- Re: IRS sending warning notes, violating ECPA?,
Rabid Wombat
- Re: Something of Interest (fwd),
Alan
- Re: Something of Interest (fwd),
Peter D. Junger
- Re: Something of Interest (fwd),
Mike Duvos
- Re: Something of Interest (fwd),
Tim May
- Re: Something of Interest (fwd),
David E. Smith
- Re: Something of Interest (fwd),
Bill Frantz
- Re: Something of Interest (fwd),
Lynne L. Harrison
- Jim Bell: "IRS Inspection" mail confirmed, IU article,
Declan McCullagh
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: Something of Interest (fwd),
Anonymous
- Re: HISTORY - pre-CDA, "compromise", untrue civil-liberties groups,
Declan McCullagh
- Anonymous virtual networks,
Anonymous
- Two Birds With One Stone / Re: Keepers of the keys,
TruthMonger
- (Fwd) Something of Interest,
jf_avon
- PICS recipes,
Anonymous
- Airlines to start profiling, bag matching -- "Pick Me",
Martin Minow
- Bean IRS for Another $250,000,
John Young
- Cypherpunk U,
Nick West
- Jim Bell Docket 2,
John Young
- From - Tue Jun 24 09:59:29 1997,
n/a
- Jim Bell on Seattle TV,
Mike Duvos
- NSA leak (fwd),
Robert Hayden-0797-EMP-HSE
- ARE YOU BEING INVESTIGATED ????,
83751386
- Re: (Fwd) Something of Interest (fwd),
Jim Choate
- New Cypher ListServ (part 1),
David Downey
- New Cypher ListServ (part 2) **REVISED**,
David Downey
- Re: Will Monolithic Apps Dominate? (fwd),
Jim Choate
- New Cypher ListServ (part 2) **REVISED** (fwd),
Jim Choate
- CDR Traffic & IRC,
Jim Choate
- MLM Still Giving You the Shaft?,
- IRS Spam,
John Young
- Something of little importance,
Alan
- fork problem, fix?,
Name Withheld by Request
- Re: New Cypher ListServ (part 1),
David Downey
- Welcome to cryptography-politics-pgp-l,
Majordomo
- TEST [IGNORE],
apache
- New Mixmaster Key,
Antonomasia
- Nameserver Cache Contamination by Alternic is Irresponsible Practice,
pgMedia
- JENC8 presentation - Crypto Regulation in Europe - online,
Bert-Jaap Koops
- thought for the day, and my IRS Investigations report,
Zooko Journeyman
- geodesic -- FPGAs,
Decius 6i5
- Hashcash for Emacs,
Paul Foley
- TEST IGNORE,
(unavailable) (unavailable)
- CDT's Berman Opposes Online Anonymity,
Anonymous
- Re: CDT's Berman Opposes Online Anonymity,
Tim May
- Privacy: Law, Custom, and Technology,
Bill Frantz
- Re: Privacy: Law, Custom, and Technology,
Unprivileged user
- Re: Privacy: Law, Custom, and Technology,
Bill Frantz
- Re: Privacy: Law, Custom, and Technology,
Tim May
- Re: Privacy: Law, Custom, and Technology,
Bill Frantz
- Re: CDT's Berman Opposes Online Anonymity,
Anonymous
- Re: CDT's Berman Opposes Online Anonymity,
Anonymous
- Re: CDT's Berman Opposes Online Anonymity,
Ulf M�ller
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: CDT's Berman Opposes Online Anonymity,
John Smith
- House Tries to Liberate ICs,
Duncan Frissell
- Interesting Question..,
David D.W. Downey
- 1-800-811-2141 code 20477,
hjuy7685tif
- Controversial Technology,
Jim Choate
- Fight-each-other,
Declan McCullagh
- "How many times erased does DOD want?",
Ng Pheng Siong
- The Real Revolution: Net Guerrillas, from The Netly News (fwd),
Declan McCullagh
- Australia to Censor the Net,
apache
- Re: Controversial Technology (fwd),
Jim Choate
- reminder service,
eddie
- encrypted for lucky green,
John Hackworth
- This is not ROT13, it's German.,
Rick Osborne
- Queen of Pseudononymity,
Adam Shostack
- Re: disappointing honeymoon!,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- CD Rom - Email List,
jack
- Book:The Complete Guide to Offshore Money Havens,
Ray Arachelian
- List of Reliable Royal Remailers,
Cyberdog
- Cops, Spies Fail to Slow Crypto Bill,
Dave K-P
- DEATH TO TYRANTS,
Tim May
- Re: IRS sending warning notes, violating ECPA?,
Anonymous
- Re: R.I.P Jim Bell,
Anonymous
- House crypto-vote echoes classified briefing (plus: COWS!),
Declan McCullagh
- Jim Bell Docket 3,
John Young
- custom and privacy,
Zooko Journeyman
- Brit Fascists To Track Motorists,
Name Withheld by Request
- Free Money,
Mike Duvos
- Where Can I Get the Latest Version of Nautilus?,
Alan Tu
- The FBI in Peace and War,
frissell
- Re: DEATH TO THE TYRANTS,
John Young
- CNET editor endorses self-labeling, "news site" standard,
Declan McCullagh
- Rating online content can work,
Steve Schear
- EPIC letter to CNET.COM and the Internet Community (fwd),
Declan McCullagh
- God Blessed Us and We're Sharing,
22762705
- REFFERAL REWARDS ( NOT CLUBPIX ),
promotions
- Extra Income,
8051172
- A For-Real Offer,
Jeff
- Re:I have had ENOUGH of this government bullshit!!,
CST Administration Dept
- sober reflection,
Zooko Journeyman
- Reference.Com wants to pay listowners to send ads to their lists,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- IT'S YOUR TURN! $50,000 in 90 Days, Guaranteed!!!,
13281148
- EPIC Alert 4.11 (fwd),
Declan McCullagh
- d-day,
Neva Remailer
- Put Us To Work For You TODAY!!,
info
- Internet makes resistance futile, Clinton aide warns,
jbugden
- "Who the hell are CNET?",
Declan McCullagh
- Re: Spreading Technology (fwd),
Jim Choate
- Spreading Technology - Ooops,
Jim Choate
- Re: Fortezza dying on the vine?,
Dave Emery
- http:--cnnfn.com-hotstories-washun-wires-9707-24-fcc_wg-,
Jim Choate
- Another vulnerability,
Dave Emery
- Toll Free 800# Internet Access for $19.95 mo,
05378440
- encryption evaluater software,
Sheedy, E.C.C.
- Re: Data Fellows announces F-Secure SSH Tunnel&Terminal,
Petri Laakkonen
- Reap and Sow,
John Young
- Puzzle Palace 2nd edition?,
Ted Cabeen
- CDT, RSACi, and "public service" groups (3/3),
Declan McCullagh
- CDT, RSACi, and "public service" groups (1/3),
Declan McCullagh
- CDT, RSACi, and "public service" groups (2/3),
Declan McCullagh
- Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Declan McCullagh
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Tim May
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
James Love
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Declan McCullagh
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Tim May
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
James Love
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
William H. Geiger III
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
James Love
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Tim May
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
James Love
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
William H. Geiger III
- "What is your strategy to avoid RSACi type systems?",
Tim May
- Re: "What is your strategy to avoid RSACi type systems?",
James Love
- Re: "What is your strategy to avoid RSACi type systems?",
stonedog
- Re: "What is your strategy to avoid RSACi type systems?",
Tim May
- Re: "What is your strategy to avoid RSACi type systems?",
Adam Back
- Re: "What is your strategy to avoid RSACi type systems?",
Robert Hettinga
- Re: "What is your strategy to avoid RSACi type systems?",
Declan McCullagh
- Re: "What is your strategy to avoid RSACi type systems?",
Duncan Frissell
- Thomases (Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?)),
Adam Back
- Re: Thomases (Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Paul Bradley
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
James Love
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Alan
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Kent Crispin
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Declan McCullagh
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Paul Bradley
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Paul Bradley
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Ray Arachelian
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Tim May
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
nospam-seesignature
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Tim May
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Paul Bradley
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
James Love
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Paul Bradley
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
James Love
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Tim May
- Third party rating services NOT self-rating (was Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?)),
Adam Back
- Re: Third party rating services NOT self-rating (was Re: Yet another,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- Re: Third party rating services NOT self-rating (was Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?)),
Kent Crispin
- Re: Third party rating services NOT self-rating (was Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?)),
Adam Back
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Anonymous
- Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Anonymous
- Cnet's stance on content filters,
Declan McCullagh
- An Attempt to Hobble SAFE Crypto Bill,
Declan McCullagh
- Government Access to Safes,
Martin Minow
- Re: Brit Fascists To Track Motorists - DigiCash Obsolescent,
sar
- Pentium Microcode Encryption (was Re: Another vulnerability),
Anonymous
- "Find The Dirt On The Internet!",
INFOREVOLUTION
- Re: An Attempt to Hobble SAFE Crypto Bill (fwd),
Declan McCullagh
- Internet Service,
success
- Note to CyberPatrol's Susan Getgood (fwd),
Declan McCullagh
- Addresses,
admin
- OKC Bomber, or Cowardly Lion? / Re: IRS sending warning notes, violating ECPA?,
Anonymous
- Send Your Message to 50 Million---at "INSANE SPEED" !!,
owner-cypherpunks
- New Ratings Categories / Re: Yet another self-labeling system (do you remember -L18?),
Anonymous
- Free Money Making Software!,
megamoneymakers
- HIR_hear Crypto Hearing Transcript,
John Young
- URL for Crypto Hearing Transcript,
John Young
- Australian net legislator proves Clueless newbie,
Charles
- Satellite Tool Kit available FREE! (fwd),
Jim Choate
- CanadaBanAna Censors US TV (and bans decryption),
Anonymous
- Declassified crypto-hearing transcript now online,
Declan McCullagh
- Rules for "Them" and Rules for "Us",
Tim May
- Re: Netzwelt: Geiselnahme im Netz (article in DER SPIEGEL),
MediaFilter
- Can you spell 'Stoopid'? Sure you can... / Re: thought for the day, and my IRS Investigations report,
Anonymous
- News from Disney Online - July 1997,
Family.COM
- Cerf: Building a Barrier-Free Net,
John Young
- LEO Sly Bug Buy, Bye Spy Shop,
John Young
- New Crypto Application,
Guillotine
- "the sovereign individual" by davidson/rees mogg,
Vladimir Z. Nuri
- CPAC, XtatiX, and the Censor-State,
Mike Duvos
- NSA leak magic,
Zooko Journeyman
- House Committee Hearing on Money Laundering,
Robert Hettinga
- Cryptography Question (I hope it's not off-topic on this list),
Anonymous
- News from the Front (July Issue),
news
- How Does Fortezza Work?,
Alan Tu
- BULK EMAIL LIST GETS RESULTS QUICKLY TRY IT,
OIL.PATCH.MARKETING
- NSA cracker - how many TW,
Secret Squirrel
- Queries from a Cyper-newbie?,
Chris Avery
- y2k problem *serious*,
Vladimir Z. Nuri
- Will Spam For Food (Not Spam) / Re: Spare DigiCa$h? / Re: AN APPEAL TO THE HUMAN RACE,
Anonymous
- Not a Logic-Newbie / Re: Queries from a Cyper-newbie?,
Anonymous
- Spare DigiCa$h? / Re: AN APPEAL TO THE HUMAN RACE,
Anonymous
- Complete Bulk Email Pkg only $49.95,
emailblaster
- Libertarians for whom Jim Bell tolls...,
Anonymous
- Guns, Roses & Tobacco,
Anonymous
- Prior Restraint,
Anonymous
- NYTimes: Disappearing Cryptography,
Attila T. Hun
- Boylovers, NAMBLA, and Net-vigilantes, from The Netly News,
Declan McCullagh
- Majority in house support SAFE encryption bill, from SPAlert,
Declan McCullagh
- ALERT: Show Your Support for Privacy on the Net During August,
Jonah Seiger
- Free software available online.,
freesoftware
- National Security Agency markets commercial ASICs,
Alan Olsen
- subscribing to cypherpunks,
Michael Ketcher
- Save Up To $1000 on Your Grocery Bills!,
94083120
- 7-29_b8_EXTRA_Internet.html,
Damaged Justice
- 0728dod.html,
Damaged Justice
- This is an E-Mail Chain Letter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,
A Hoier
- Screw SAFE / Re: Majority in house support SAFE encryption bill, from SPAlert,
Anonymous
- Gone for vacation,
William H. Geiger III
- upside of y2k,
Antonomasia
- Finally the Answer to LIFE!! Real Science, NOT FICTION!,
64355512
- National Security Agency markets commercial ASICs (fwd),
Jim Choate
- Re: Thoughtcrime (fwd),
Jim Choate
- Work at Home,
CBRAT97
- List of P.E.E.L. district managers near you!,
putpeel2
- [NEWS}: "Jim Bell to Face More Prison Time than Pol Pot",
Tim May
- Online Casino Ripoffs / Re: 7-29_b8_EXTRA_Internet.html,
Anonymous
- Gary Burnore Arrested at Critical Mass,
Bill Stewart
- Sorry about accidental spamming,
Tom Helenius
- Escrow conference in Brussels,
John Young
- Re: Government takeover of the gambling industry / Am I Psychic, or what...?,
Anonymous
- Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download,
Michael C Taylor
- Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download,
tzeruch
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download,
Sandy Harris
- Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download,
Martin Pool
- Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download,
Dr. Jai Maharaj
- Spam is Information?,
Robert W. Brewer
- non-censorous spam control (was Re: Spam is Information?),
Adam Back
- Re: non-censorous spam control (was Re: Spam is Information?),
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}
- Re: non-censorous spam control (was Re: Spam is Information?),
William H. Geiger III
- Re: non-censorous spam control (was Re: Spam is Information?),
Kent Crispin
- Re: non-censorous spam control (was Re: Spam is Information?),
William H. Geiger III
- Re: non-censorous spam control (was Re: Spam is Information?),
Kent Crispin
- Re: non-censorous spam control (was Re: Spam is Information?),
Jeff Barber
- Re: non-censorous spam control (was Re: Spam is Information?),
Adam Back
- Re: Spam is Information?,
Paul Bradley
- Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download,
Sandy Harris
Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download,
Dave Hayes
Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download,
Dr. Jai Maharaj
- forged cancels (Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download),
Adam Back
- Re: forged cancels (Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download),
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}
- Re: forged cancels (Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download),
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- Re: forged cancels (Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download),
Tim Skirvin
- Re: forged cancels (Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download),
Ryan Anderson
- Re: forged cancels (Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download),
Adam Back
- Re: forged cancels (Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download),
Tim Skirvin
- Re: forged cancels (Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- Re: forged cancels (Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download),
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}
- Re: forged cancels (Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download),
Tim Skirvin
- Re: forged cancels (Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download),
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
- Re: forged cancels (Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download),
Bill Stewart
Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
RE: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download,
Chris DiBona
Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download,
Dr. Jai Maharaj
Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download,
Dr. Jai Maharaj
Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download,
Dave Hayes
Re: Programlike Texts,
geeman
Netly's Walter Miller talks crypto with President Clinton,
Declan McCullagh
Re: Yet another self-labeling system,
Kurt Starsinic
Don't copy that floppy! Copyright bill roundup (7/30/97),
Declan McCullagh
Netly News Fan Mail,
Mike Duvos
Re: FCPUNX:Prior Restraint,
James A. Donald
Get your house in order or we bulldoze it,
Damaged Justice
Rep. White introduces Internet Protection Act,
Declan McCullagh
Eternity Server 0.04 Available,
Mike Duvos
NRO: Risky Methods of Data Exploitation,
John Young
PGP Linux 5.0b11 feedback?,
PGP Beta Team
KNOCK KNOCK,
MCE
House Report on SAFE,
John Young
uncensorable net based payment system?,
Adam Back
URL for HR105-108, Part 1,
John Young
EVENT: Cryptography, scientific freedom & human rights Fri Aug 1!,
Shabbir Safdar
Dr. Jai Maharaj,
Trevor Goodchild
Denning backs away from GAK,
Eric Murray
I did get the infamous IRS letter after all,
Declan McCullagh
Thomas Leavitt on why online news sites should not self-label,
Declan McCullagh
Re: Rep. White introduces Internet Protection Act (fwd),
Jim Choate
Re: forged cancels (Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download),
Dave Hayes
JD Lasica on labels/censorware as threat to Net, in Salon,
Declan McCullagh
free market services vs monopoly government,
Adam Back
"Telco Terrorism" -- Wired on Baby Bells v. the Net,
Declan McCullagh
excerpt from William P. Crowell,
John W. Noerenberg
Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Re: Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Ross Wright
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
- Denning questions/reverses her position?,
Attila T. Hun
http:--www.cnn.com-US-9707-31-breast.milk-,
Jim Choate
Boost Your Sales With 40 Million New Prospects!,
owner-cypherpunks
Re: Authors Wanted,
editors
Your Credit Report,
mailhost
Read This Twice!!,
List1
TONER,
toner98
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- TONER,
toner98
Re: Tracking: iButton (fwd),
Matt Elliott
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